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is second to none in Hindostan, its pre- , in Europe, shall have leave of absence, eminence can only be maintained by a under medical certificates, with the formidable military power, adequate both approbation of the commanders-in-chief to repel any hostile attack on our own and the governments in India, without dominions, and to protect those of our loss of rank or pay. Nor does it seem allies. Accordingly, our military force in proper to confine the leave of absence that quarter is not only greater than is merely to cases of ill-health ; but in order maintained in time of peace by Great Bri- to keep up that love for their native land tain, but is equal to the establishment which is almost universally implanted in kept up by some of the principal mili- every breast, but which long and unintertary governments in Europe. The gra- rupted residence in a foreign clime tends dations of rank, and the proportion of to alienate, a certain proportion of officers, officers in the Company's service, have in time of peace, should be allowed to renot kept pace with the increase of num- turn home, in rotation, for a limited time, bers ; nor have sufficient regulations been in like manner, without loss of pay or established for the encouragement and rank. An arrangement formed on these reward of long and faithful services. The principles will, I trust, fully redress the highest rank in their army is that of co- several grievances of which the Company's lonel, and the number of that rank is very officers have complained in the memorials limited; the elder officers, therefore, can- which have been laid before this House, not look up to those elevated situations, and I feel great satisfaction in the reflecwhich, in other armies are the reward of tion, that the improved state of the British long service and tried abilities; and the revenues in India, the reduction effected younger seebut a distant and discouraging in the amount of the debts owing there, prospect of arriving at the rank of co- and in the interest payable on those debts, lonel, or even to that of field officer. So slow will enable the company to carry the regu. is the progress of promotion, that thirty lations proper for these purposes into efyears indurance of a climate so hostile to fect, without any inconvenience to their European constitutions, is scarce suffi- finances, which will not be abundantly cient to obtain a colonelcy; and neither compensated by the satisfaction and zeal during that long period, nor after an officer which the officers of every rank will feel, has obtained that highest rank, can he visit in the more certain prospect that their his native country, without losing his pay exertions in the service of their country and emoluments during his absence. For will be readily acknowledged and liberally those who have no other support than the rewarded. income derived from their profession, and Mr. Dundas then moved his several whose ill state of health, or impaired con- Resolutions, which, after a short converstitution, may render a temporary return sation, were agreed to. to Europe absolutely necessary, there is not any provision, except such relief as Debate in the Commons on the Prince of may be obtained from the liberality of Wales's Annuity Bill.] June 1. Mr the court of directors, or the aid of their Anstruther, Solicitor-general to the Prince friends, without which humiliating sup- of Wales, acquainted the House, “ That port, such officers have only the dread the Prince of Wales, while the question ful alternative of dying in India, or

relative to his Establishment was under lingering in indigence at home. To afford the consideration of the House of Comrelief to the officers, in all these cases, mons, had thought the proper conduct for will be the principal object of the ar- him to observe was, to avoid expressing rangement for the army in India, at pre- any opinion or wish upon the subject; sent under consideration, of which I shall fully sensible that the liberality and wisjust mention the leading principles, viz. dom of parliament would make such arthat a certain number of general, and a rangements as should be best suited to larger proportion of field officers shall be the situation of his affairs, the dignity of allowed to each of the military establish the royal family, and the interest of the ments at the several presidencies; that a public; but having understood, that it comfortable and honourable retreat shall, was the desire of many respectable perafter a certain number of years service, sons, that his wishes and opinions upon be afforded to such officers as may wish to the subject should be known, his Royal retire; and that officers whose state of Highness had authorized him to assure the health may require a temporary residence House, that he is extremely desirous that such regulations may be adopted, as to went precisely to the two objects referred the wisdom of parliament shall seem most to in the communication from his Royal expedient and advisable, for the purpose Highness-the regulation of the expendiof establishing order and regularity in ture of his household, and the appropriathe expenditure of his income, and to pre- tion of part of the income for the disvent the incurring of debt in future.- charge of debt. The question at present And, at the same time, his Royal Highn was, whether the aid of parliament ought ness had authorized him farther to ex- to be given to his Royal Highness, by press his earnest desire, that the House | adopting legislative regulations for the will appropriate such part of the income, discharge of debts, which it was admitted which they may intend to allot to him, on all hands ought never to have been to the liquidation of the debts with which contracted? Without any retrospect to he is embarrassed, as, under all the pre- the past, over which he wished to draw a sent circumstances, shall seem to the wis veil he appealed to the fair and candid dom and prudence of the House most ex- feelings of the House, whether they could pedient and adviseable; fully sensible refuse to adopt a measure so necessary that, however large that appropriation for the character and credit of his Royal may be, the House will be guided solely Highness, and so intimately connected by the consideration of what shall appear with his personal comfort and the splen. to them the most conducive to his ho- dor of his rank? He concluded with nour, and the interest of the public.” moving, " That it be an instruction to

Mr. Pitt said, that in consequence of the gentlemen, who are appointed to prethe communication which had just been pare and bring in a bill for enabling his made to the House, he rose with senti- Majesty to grant a yearly sum or sums of ments of much less anxiety and much money, out of the consolidated fund, to. greater satisfaction than he had experi- wards providing for the Establishment of enced in any former part of this transac- their Royal Highnesses the Prince and tion. In bringing forward this business, Princess of Wales; that they do make he had not however been without conso- provision in the said bill for establishing lation. He had satisfaction in contem- a regular and punctual order of payment plating the principles which had given in the Prince's future expenditure, and rise to the difficulties attendant on the for guarding against his incurring debts transaction. He observed with pleasure in future; and also for appropriating a that a parliament which had never failed proportion of the Prince's annual income, in any expression of loyalty to their sove towards the gradual discharge of the inreign, or attachment to his family, which cumbrances to which his Royal Highness had never been wanting in discovering a is now subject.” proper spirit of liberality, when the occa- Mr. Duncombe said, that with whatever sion called for it, had no less in the pre- concern he might rise to obstruct any sent instance shown a degree of jealousy, proceeding that professed to have for its care, and circumspection, when a demand object the ease and comfort of his Royal was made upon the pockets of their con Highness, he considered the call of duty stituents, attended with some circum- as paramount to all other considerations. stances which they could not altogether it was the duty of the representatives of approve. He had no less satisfaction in the British nation to speak, when the ocobserving that the illustrious personage casion warranted, with a proper boldness, himself was impressed with a just sense of to persons even in the most exalted stathat line of conduct, which a regard to his tion. Under this impression he must say character and situation required him to that parliament could not, consistently pursue, and he trusted that the House with their duty to their constituents, or had that day received an earnest of the with that inviolable regard which they future dispositions of his Royal Highness, owed to truth and fidelity, after the soand of that regard to the welfare of the lemn assurances they had received on a people, which would distinguish him in former occasion, consent a second time the exalted situation to which he one day to pay the debts of the Prince of Wales. might be called. Under that impression, At a time (said Mr. D.) when the comhe hoped that there would be little differ- forts and conveniences of life are wanting ence of opinion as to the proposition to the middle classes of society, when the which he should submit to the House. poor are scarcely supplied even with comThe instruction which he meant to move mon necessaries, and when the prospect

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of a dearth becomes every day more | larger income with a view to the applicaalarming, I cannot listen to idle claims of tion of a considerable part of it to the dissplendor and magnificence: I trust that charge of the debts." He regretted that at such a time the benevolent feelings of the House had as yet received no comhis Royal Highness will dispose him ra- munication on the subject from his mather to sympathize with the distress of jesty. He had hoped that he would have the lower orders, and to sacrifice some. done something considerable, in the way of thing for their relief, than to form selfish extricating the Prince from his difficulties. and extravagant pretensions. In these Mr. Grey said, that every one must distempered times, let us beware how, by have felt satisfaction at the message from a wanton profusion of the public moneywe his Royal Highness. He was happy to furnish the favourers of wild and dangerous receive it, not as a measure taken upon innovations with a colour of plausibility for the spur of the occasion, but as the sintheir arguments. As a friend to the he. cere expression of his feelings, with respect reditary monarchy, I feel myself called to the House: he wished, indeed, that the upon to resist the motion. Let us recol- whole grace of the transaction had belect that there are other branches of the longed to his Royal Highness; that it had royal family. If, after the assurance we re- not been suggested from any other quarceived, we again consent to pay the debts ter; that ministers had first come to the of his Royal Highness, we shall establish House for a proper establishment, and a precedent, of which we cannot tell to when it had been granted, that the meswhat extent it may be carried. I do not sage had followed from the Prince, romean to say that the debts ought not to quiring the appropriation of part of his be paid, but I look to other resources for income for the discharge of his debts. that purpose:

: I look first to the justice At any rate, he must consider ministers of his Royal Highness, to make provision as responsible for the former message, for the payment of those debts that shall which contained the assurance that no be proved to be just ; I look to future second application should be made. They economy in the regulation of his house, ought undoubtedly to have taken some hold; and lastly, I look to the assistance means to enforce that assurance, and they which he may derive from the well-known were now bound to explain to the House munificence of his royal father. As the why such means had not been taken. idea of a temporary retirement has been After what had passed, no reliance could suggested, I have only to remark, that be had that those provisions which might from such a retirement his Royal High- be made with respect to future conduct, ness may reap great advantage in settling would be of any avail. his affairs, and be again enabled to emerge the House had of discharging their duty with fresh splendor. Retirement is the was, to meet the present application with nurse of reflection ; by its influence his a direct refusal. His hon. friend had Royal Highness may be enabled to con- stated that by this refusal her Royal firm those resolutions which he has ex. Highness would be exposed to taunts and pressed in his communication to the insults. He hoped that even with the House, and to return into public life for- smaller income and proper economy, there tified against future error, and qualified would be found sufficient means to make for the important duties of that high sta- provision for the discharge of the debts, tion which he may one day be called upon more especially as in such a situation the to fill.

Prince would be able to come to a comMr. Curwen expressed his satisfaction position with his creditors upon much at the message.

He hoped it would better terms than if the idea was to be prove, on the part of the Prince, an ear- held out, that the business was to be taken nest of his future attention to the happi- up by that House. We knew that there ness of the country. He remarked on were great means in the possession of an the cruelty that would be attached to the illustrious personage, and it was to be situation of his illustrious consort, if, by hoped that he would be induced to come a refusal of that House to make any pro- forward with his assistance. vision for the debts, she was left exposed Mr. Secretary Dundas said, that the to the taunts and insults of creditors. House had already decided for an income He wished his Royal Highness to be put of 125,000!. The motion was not an in a situation to obtain respect, and to de. application for a sum of money for the serve it; he had therefore voted for the discharge of the debts; the only question

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was, whether the whole income should be | His objects in this business were two, one left to the unlimited disposal of the Prince, the establishment, the other the provision or whether the expenditure should be for the debt. In his vote upon the first, put under regulations, and an appropria- he thought it his duty to concur in making tion made with a view to the gradual ex. a provision liberal and ample. With tinction of the debt. He was surprised regard to the second point, he would ask, at one resource, which had been pointed did the House, hy adopting this motion, out by some hon. gentlemen, in the affec- impose any additional burthens on the tion and benevolence of his royal father. public? This instruction was only to They had repeatedly had occasion to exa- enable the House hereafter to proceed mine the situation of his majesty with upon a certain plan. He did not doubt respect to the civil list. The civil list the disposition of his Royal Highness to was indeed large, but was wholly appro- discharge his debts, but that was out of priated to particular services, except the his power, and therefore a legislative prosum allotted for his majesty's privy purse. vision became necessary. The idea of such a resource arose out of Mr. Fox said, that his Royal Highness miserable feeling, which he was surprised by his communication, had acted in a any gentleman could entertain. He knew manner that did him honour; and he not of the existence of any such sum as trusted he would finish a plan which he that which had been referred to. Besides, had so worthily began. With regard to he would ask, with that numerous family the motion he confessed he did not know with which his majesty was blessed, were upon what principle opposition was made there no other objects who claimed his to it. It was simply the setting apart royal munificence and attention? The some of the income of his Royal HighPrince of Wales was the last who might ness, for the purpose of discharging his be supposed to have such a claim; he, debts. It might be said, that the Prince from the situation in which he stood, was could do this himself: he certainly could the peculiar care of the public. Allusion not effectually, nor could he without the might be made to the revenues which his aid of parliament adopt a plan that would majesty derived from the electorate of satisfy his creditors. He owned there Hanover. But had his majesty no state was a point on which he could not help to support in that quarter? Was he to touching as being extremely applicable to rob his Hanoverian subjects in order to this case. He thought the House might pay debts contracted in this country by look for some resources upon this occathe heir apparent to the British crown? sion from his majesty. He most egregiThe appeal which had been made on this ously mistook the sentiments of the pubsubject, he could consider as neither fair lic, if something of this nature would not nor candid, and, as such, he should dismiss be

very well received by them. He did it without further observation; declaring not say that the whole 600,000l. should on his honour, that his majesty was not be paid by his majesty; but he would say in a condition to discharge his Royal because he felt, that it appeared a little Highness's debts.

unseemly, that at a time of such general Mr. Montagu thought it highly fit that calamity, his majesty should be the only parliament should regard itself as a tutor person in the kingdom who did not conto the Prince, because, speaking politi- tribute a single farthing towards the discally, he conceived his royal highness the charge of the incumbrances of the Prince son of the people, and therefore he thought of Wales. He hoped his majesty would it proper that his affairs should be under be better advised upon this subject. A the superintendence of parliament. It glorious opportunity offered itself for the was possible, if the whole income were to display of royal munificence, and liberal be under his own control, for him to conduct upon such an occasion as this have bad advisers, and he might postpone would do more, even for the constitution, the liquidation of his debts, and contract than the most vigorous exertion of the

arm of power. It was unfortunate that Mr. Powys had no doubt that this com- some one had not advised his majesty to munication would conciliate the affection lead the way, and show the public an exof the House, and of the public, but that ample of liberality upon this occasion. circumstance neither would nor ought to When this subject should come to be alter the principle upon which gentlemen discussed, happy should he be if the agreed to give aid to his Royal Highness. House, by a gracious communication, should be given to understand that the cause, by that House taking upon itself illustrious personage to whom he alluded to make these regulations for the liquiintended to take some share of the bur- | dation of the debts, they were taking the then. He trusted also, that the whole of first step towards pledging themselves for the additional income of his Royal High- the payment of them contingently. He ness, together with the duchy of Corn- did not hesitate to say, that the crown wall, would be appropriated solely to the was bound to come forward upon this ocliquidation of the debts. It would take casion'; because, during the minority of ten years even then to discharge them. his Royal Highness, the whole of the inBut he still adhered to the idea of making come of the duchy was received by his a very different disposition of the duchy majesty. of Cornwall from what had been proposed Mr. Lambton said, that the subject was by the minister. According to his idea, more of a national than a personal nature. the public would have a considerable ad- Upon what grounds were large supplies vantage by the sale of the duchy, in a pe- and subsidies voted in the course of the cuniary sense, as likewise from the dimi. war, but from a motive of national adnution of the patronage of the crown, al- vantage? Upon the same grounds, genready much too extensive ; and it would tlemen should not hesitate to vote for the also place many gentlemen, now interest- extinction of his Royal Highness's debts. ed there, in a situation less dependent How was it consistent to vote the Princess than they were at present. And further, a dower of 50,0001. a year, and with the it would relieve his Royal Highness from same breath make her suffer from the imdependence on the crown, and on the prudence of the Prince previous to his minister of the day, a thing in itself exa marriage? It was stated, that the Prince tremely desirable as well for the heir ap- would one day or other be extricated; parent of the throne as for the interests but this reminded him of the old adage of the public; for a prince ought to be " While the grass grows the steed starves." an opulent and independent nobleman, Mr. Bouverie said, that as the House before he should become a wise, virtuous, had once already paid the debts of his and illustrious monarch ; and in propor- Royal Highness, and that under the pledge tion to the elevation of his rank, must a that no such embarrassment should again state of dependence be painful to his happen, they could not, consistently, feelings, and dangerous to the public. vote away the public money for such a

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Mr. Anstruther did not pretend to say, purpose, that parliament had not the power to Mr. W. Smith opposed the motion, beorder the duchy of Cornwall to be sold; cause the House had a right to know the but he must observe, that the duchy amount and nature of the debts before was not the absolute property of the they were called upon to pay them. Prince; for if he were to die to day, Mr. Francis said, he was very desirous the duchy would vest in the duke of that the principles on which he had alYork to-morrow, and the House would ready voted, and those on which he meant have as good a right to order the estate to vote that night, should be exactly unof any individual to be sold as this estate. derstood. When the question was put to There had been a good deal of misappre. him on a former occasion, what establishhension as to the value of this estate ; ment he would vote for, upon a general two-thirds of it were not rent out of land, view of the provision fit for the heir appabut a duty on tin, and the other part con- rent, combined with the situation of the sisted of a dry unimproveable rent. country, and abstractedly from any con

Mr. Bustard opposed the principle of sideration whatsoever of his Royal Highparliament interfering at all with the debts ness's debts and incumbrances; the anof the Prince. He thought the precedent a swer he gave it by his vote was, that dangerous one, and that it would have been 100,0001. was sufficient. But he did not better to have left it to the Prince, to ap- mean by that vate to preclude all consiportion what part of his income he pleased deration whatever of the debts. The to the payment of his debts.

House had determined in favour of the Mr. Whitbread said, he did not agree higher establishment. The question, therewith those who contended that this mo- fore, now before him was, whether he tion would not tend to increase the bur- would or would not concur with a propothens of the people ; on the contrary, it sition made by his Royal Highness himseemed to him to tend to that object, be self, to apply a considerable portion of (VOL. XXXII.]


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