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Sir, were I even to grant that the amount of the taxes would be much less than I have calculated, were I to allow that they would fall short of my calculation by two millions five hundred thousand pounds, I will contend, that even with the prufpe&t of the continuance of the present contest for a series of years, there would be no neceffity for a loan of more than fix millions. l' wish to press on the attention of the Committee the grounds on which I think myself justified in holding out this expectation, and unless circumstances occur, against which it is impossible to make any specific provision, and, which in holding out such an expectation, I have to a considerable degree anticipated, I am confident, that these ex. pe&ations will be fully realized. I ftate therefore, diftin&tly, that with taxes conftanıly becoming more productive, withra furplus on the consolidated fund gradually increasing, the profpect which I hold out cannot, unless counteracted by circum. stances of the nature to which I have now alluded, fail to be fully confirmed. Thar under the circumstances in which the country'is placed, this system of providing for the exigencies of the public service, without adding to the public debt, ought io be pursued, I believe will be universally admired, and the more irs effects are considered. the more will it be allow. ed, that in every point of view it is superior to the funding system. Considering the matter merely in a pecuniary way, lam satisfied that even ten minutes seflection would be fuf. ficient to convince any Gentleman, in applying merely the principles of arithmetical calculation, that the plan of raising The fapplies within the year, is under every consideration preferable to the funding fyftein. If fixteen millions is the lum necessary to be raised for the public service, it will, in a very thort period, be found that the difference of providing for this sum by taxes to exist in perpetuity, or by fupplies to be raised within the year, in-point of preffure, will very soon be found to be inconliderable, while the importance of not al. lowing the' national debt to accumulate, wus matter of the cleareft experience. This is a position so clear, that I do

not think it nécessary for me to take up much of the time of the Committee in atiempting to establith it. We found, Sir, its beneficial consequences during the last years of the late arduous contest in which the country was engaged. No fooner was it adopted, than its effects on the funds were ex. perienced to a degree which it is not now neceffary for me to remind the Committee. These effecis were instantaneous, and they were also permanent. Indeed, it is in the nature of

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the plan to produce respect abroad, and confidence at home.

The adoption of it cannot fail at all times, but particularly at a moment like the present, to show to the Government of France that any attempt to conquer this country, by a war on our finances, is a hopeless contest; that it is out of the power of any enemy to break the national spisit by such at-tempts, and must end in disappointment; that whatever be the emergency in which we are placed, we possess ample

resources to meet it with firmness, with energy and success. The effect of this on the powers of Europe must be power.

ful. It must shew them that, in associating with this country, in making a common cause with us in any great emergency, . they incur no dunger, but unite their exertions with a people

who possess at once the spirit and the means adequale in the - Support of a great struggle. Bis the plan on which I propose - to raise so very considerable a part of the supplies within ibe year, is not new in the history of this country in former finnes. Even soon after the time when the funding System was introduced, in the reigns of William and of Anne, the importance of raising a great proportion of the public revenue within the year was well enough understood. Even -at that period taxes were with this view imposed, and even the wages of servants were not exempted from their opera

In contemplating the continuance of this system, it cannot fail to afford fatisfaction to every Gentleman, that the prospect of its successful application is not at all of an illufory kind. Let Gentlemen look at the amount of the permanent taxes imposed before the war in 1792, ard as ihey exist at the present moment. In 1792, the permanent taxes amounted to fourteen millions iwo hundred and eightytwo thousand pounds, and, on the 5th of April 1803, they were fifteen million nine hundred and ninety-four thousand pounds. Thus, in eleven years there had been an increase of one million seven hundred thousand pounds. But, Sir, This is note all. The taxes imposed during the war have not been less productive. They have, since the period of their being imposed, greatly exceeded the amount at utrich they . were originally calculated. This I stare generally, and I

beg leave particularly to advert to the taxes, imposed last year. When I explained what were my views of the probable - amount of the taxes which I then brought forward as part of the ways and means of she year, I took them at a million

three hundred thousand pounds. There is now, Sir, the strongest reason for believing that in this calculation I was

very considerably below what experience has proved to be their actual amount. I believe, Sir, I am not going too far, when I say ihat iheir amount will turn out to be little Mort of five millions. At a period like the prefent, it is a circumstance which cannot fail to afford the highest satisfac. tion that every thing connected with the best interests,' every thing effential to the support of the state existed and operated in full vigour. It is not last year alone that this general improvement is apparent. It is an improvement which has been going on gradually from year to year. The commerce, the navigation, the manufactures of the country have been all equally advancing and acquiring new energy and strength. The accounts which, beyond the possibility of doubt; establish this improvement, are now on your table, and whoever is disposed to doubt what I have been asserting, has only to refer to them for a solution of ihese doubis. In addition to all these animating confiderations, we have, Sir, what I must ever consider as the sheet anchor of the stare, the folid, and continually augmenting fund for the extinction of the nasional debi. Iis operation is not only fo directed, as, by the adoption of the system which I have this evening had the hanour to submit to the Committee, to prevent the accumulation of debi, but even during a '

war in which we are called on to make great sacrifices, to hold out a reasonable prospect of is gradual diminution. I confess, Sir, that in proposing this plan, I proposed one which could not fail to operate with severe pressure on all ranks of the community. I am convinced, however, Sir, that at a moment like ihe preTeni, there are none who are not willing to bear their part of the burihens which a coniest like that in which we are now involved so strongly requires. No man can be less dirposed than I am to p:opose any measure. The eifect of which. must be to diminith the comforts of the labouring claffes of the community. I will, however, Sir, do the peasaniry of this country the justice to say that I believe ihey are fully convinced of the justice of the contest in which they are engaged, that in defence of the honour and the independence of their country, they are ready to submit 10 severe privations. They are not unaware that the question now is, wherher this country shall continue independent and free, or whether it fall link into a state of disgraceful vas. salage to France, and swell the catalogue of those states whole liberty and independence have totally perished under Gallic domination. It will not so far insult the people of this country as to suppose that they are insensible of the na. fure and consequences of the struggle in which we are en. gaged. I trust that they will not thow themselves, deficient in the spirit suited to the circumstances in which they are placed. I trust they will fhow themselves worthy of being recognized as the countrymen of those herves who conquered with Abercromby at Alexandria, and with Nelson at Abou: kir. There victory had accompanied enthusiastic valour, and I have no fear ihat on proper occasions the same enthu. fiastic courage, the same unconquerable spirit will continue to be displayed. I am not insensible of the severe pressure which the measure I propose will occasion. I have, however, one consolation, that I have endeavoured as far as por. fible to diffuse this pressure equally among all ranks in the community. It has been my wish that no one should have it in his power to say, that any particular branch of the community had been treated with rigour, or had experienced partiality. I shall ever stand up for economy, but it shall be an economy in which tenderness for the subject shall be blended with regard for the essential interests and real security of the empire.

The right hon Gentleman made a few more observations, it which he vindicated himself from the charge of shrinking from the financial difficulties of the country, and contended that he had never entertained but one opinion in the event of the war, of the propriety of providing as great a proportion of the supplies as possible within the year. He complimented his right hon. Friend (Mr. Piti) who had introduced it, and thought it was the only means of national safety, He finished by calling on the Committee at a crisis like the present, to act in a manner worthy of the Sovereign who ruled over them, worthy of the people whose representatives they were, worthy of the country which gave them birih. He sat down by moving the first resolution.

The question was then put on the different resolutions, and agreed to without opposition.

The House being resumed, the report was ordered to be brought up next day.

The Committees of ways and means, and of supply, were ordered to fit on Wednesday following.

On the motion of Mr. Wickham, the Irish parsonage house bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Thursday following.

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The East India shipping bill went through a Committee.

Mr. H. Browne gave notice that in the Committee of Supply on Wedneiday, he should move that a sum of money be granted for the repair of the roads in Scotland.

Adjourned.

HOUSE OF LORDS,

TUESDAY, JUNE 14. The bills on the table were read in their respective stages.

Nine bills were brought from the Commons, and presented by Mr. Buller, Mr. Wilberforce, Sir Theophilus Metclalf, and others; and severally read a first time.

CLERGY FARMING AND RESIDENCE BILL. The order of the day for going into a Committee of the whole House on this bill, having been moved and read, Lord Wallingham took his feat at the table.

Having postponed the preamble, the Committee proceeded to discuss the clauses; and the first which came under debate was the second, that which enacts that any person against whom an action shall have been commenced, before the palling of the Act, may apply to the court in which such action may have commenced, if such Court be fitting, or to any judge of such court, if not fining, for an order to stay proceedings; on payment of ten pounds, in every case where a verdict Thall have been obtained, together with the costs; and where no verdict thall have been obtained, upon payment of the costs incurred up to the time of such application being made, all such costs to be taxed according to the practice of such court; in which case the judge is authorized to make luch order.

Regret and reluctance was exprefTed by some noble Lords, that an apparent breach of legislative faith was effected by this clause, because it deprived the informer of the obtainment of the penalties on such suits as he had commenced under the authority of the then existing act of Parliament. To this it was answered, that the informer's being allowed to recover a ten pound penalty and costs, in the one case, and costs, as taxed between attorney and client, where no verdiđt had been obtained, was an ample reparation to the informer.

The noble Lords who took part in the discussion of this clause,' were Lord Auckland, Lord Àlvanley, the Bishop of St. Asaph, Earl Rosslyn, and Earl Radnor. The clause. passed with one or two verbal amendinents. VOL. IV. 1802-3.

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