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Mr. Balbington said, he could not avoid taking that ope portunity of giving his decided dilapprobation of the lottery, which he considered as highly prejudicial' to the morals of the people, and a mode of raising money which, in a commercial country like this, should not be reforted to, as it encouraged gaming, and, in fact, in fome degree, went to far as to legalise it, though the law was very levere against every other species of gambling.

Mr. Johnstone faid, ihat nutwithstanding so many hon. Gentlemen had given their decided opinion in favour of railing a certain and confiderable part of the Tupplies within the year, he could not bring hiinself to see that meafure in the fame point of view. This he knew, that it had been the practice of all nations to raile money by loans as long as they could. He could not but object to the whole of the wa and means; for large and unprecedented as the demands were which the Chancellor of the Exchequer had made on the country, he was convinced in his own mind they would not answer. Reasoning, he said, upon all experience, it was too much to assume that the old taxes ihall be as productive as they were before. He then went into a consideration of the taxes as laid down by the right hon. Gentleman,' and contended that from the statement of the right bon. Gentleman thicre would be a deficien: cy of two millions. He asked how tlie right hon. Gen. tleman, could pretend to say the annual expence would be only 26 millions?" The eftablishment of 100,000 feamen was not complete, nor would be this year. It was the fame with our army and militia : so that, he contended, the expences of the war this year only, would be 30 millions. For taking three quarters of a year, tlię costs incurred could not be less than 26 millions; and from that considera. tion he insisted that he had a right to assume, that the war čannot be carried on at a less expence than 10 millions a year. He'laid, he did not fcruple to give his opinion that we might at this iroment have been at peace, either by permitting Malta to remain for a term of vears in our hands, or by ceding it into those of Ruflia ; and he could not but condemn Ministers for having plunged the country into à war, as he thought it of very little consequence whether Malta was in the bands of the Russians or in our own.

Mr. Vanh:art begged leave to make a few observations on what had fallen tion the hon. Gentleman who fpoke laft. He asked the hon. Gentleman if he could lay his hand on his heart and say, that if peace had been preserved by giving up Malta, that peace could have been preserved fix nonchis longer? He infifted the hon. Gentleman was very far out in his calculation, when he contended that the war would cost 40 millions a year, for that no one year of the last war, even the most expensive, had cost more than 33 millions. He said the hon. Gentleman had not faicd the matter fairly, when he had said that the Chancellor of the Exchequer had estimated this year at no more than 26 nullions; the proportiou laid down for England and Ireland was 27 millions for the former, and little more than three millions for the latter, which was taking it one million higher than his right hon. Friend had done. He then went into a statement of the lums which the Government had to aneet the leveral exigencies, viz. Confolidated Fund

£6,500,000 Amount of taxes no longer subject to defi- } 2,700,000

ciencies Remainder of the produce of Lottery

500,000 War taxes

12,100,000 Which taken together amounted to

22,200,0001. So that the whole expenditure of the war wouid be come pletely defrayed; and he hoped that until peace can be con. cluded with honour and security to the country, the House will not be induced to lose fight of those effe&ual means which had been fo unanimously reforted to, and which could not fail to enable us to prosecute the war with vigour and citeer.

Mr. Barwell said, that in the present critical situation of the country, he was of opinion that the Houfe should be liberal in voting Supplies. If a twentieth is wanted it should be giver, and if that won't do, Ministers ought to have more. He thouglit, however, there ought to be an equal tax on sugar in general; and he had no doubt he Thould be able to prove, that the interest of the revenue, and every other confiderativn, require the tax to be on the value, and not on the quantun.

Mr. Bibbington expla ned.

Mr. ionre taid, that whatever the taxes of the country avounied iv), they muit be paid; and it was much to the honour and happiness of the country to refledi, ibai.tbe opie nion was'unanimous, of our being very well abi them.

Mr. Fuller thought thic tax on fugars would bear very hard on the planteis, and that if the islands were visited by


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droughts, to which they were sometimes liable, they would tind it very difficult to pay it.

Mr. Johnfone laid, that in answer to the queftion put to him by an hon. Gentleman (Mr. Vanfittart), he thought the peace would have beld fix months, and that it was as likely to have held as any peace we can make now.

He had been charged with holding out the language of defpondency, but he thought there was a charge of a much more mischievous kind attributable to others, which was that of inflaming the minds of the people in order to plurge them into a war, the effects and consequences of which they will long and severely feel. He contended that the ftatements of the lion. Secretary were not correct.

Mr. Vanlitari explained.

Mr. Den asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer why foreigners were excepted from the tax on funded property?

The Chancelior of the Exchequer faid, he wished foreigners to be excepted because they were not chargeable with any other tax. The principle on which British subjects were taxed in this respect was, because they were liable to all other taxes, and it was his object at present to tax all British property in as equal a degree as possible. Foreigners were not reprefented in that House, but placed a confidence in the honour and justice of the nation, and therefore he thought foreigners were well entitled to the exemption from this tax, and to receive their dividend withow any diminu. tion whatfuever.

Mr. Dent acquiefced in the justice of the argument, and reasons given by the right bon. Gentleman; but thought it might be productive of considerable frauds, as British subjects might place large sums in the funds in foreign names, and by that means evade the tax.

The Chancellor of the Exchequer admitted, that the matter would require great precaution; but still the exception was absolutely necessary. What precaution would be requifi:e, however, it was not now the proper time to discuss.

Mr. Calcraft said, he thought the exception was highly honourable to the character of the nation, as well as to the right bon. Gentleman who had made it. He considered this as an income tax, not as a tax on the funds, otherewile foreigners would be liable to it. He thought the property of those who have placed money in the funds from national confidence, and who were not reprefented in that House, thould be held sacred, and specially protected, and such a conduct


was truly worthy and deferiptive of the dignified feelings of the House in circuinstances of exigency.

Mr. W. Smith approved of the principle of not taxing the property of foreigners in our funds. He could not, however, avoid mentioning his disapprobation of the principle of the income tax-the inquifitorial part of it particularly. He thought it the most oppressive and unjust that was ever laid on by a British House of Commons; and if the right hon. Gentleman had an opportunity of hearing the sentiments of the various classes of people he had done, that right hon. Gentleman would also be convinced how severely it was reprobated by a vast majority of the people. He thought this tax might have been avoided, and a larger revenue saised by laying a larger tax on malt; and he wished the Chancellor of the Exchequer had tried that experiment, as he was convinced it would have been found much more popular.

The Chancellor of the Exchequer said, it was very much his wish that taxes should be raised with as much regard to the feelings of the people as possible. The hon. Gentleman lad laid, that by making an addition to the duty on malt, the inquisition of the other tax might be avoided; but it would be a great injustice to the brewers to levy such a tax, without admitting them to the right of raising the price of beer. The rise could not well be less than a halfpenny a pot, or 45. 6d, a barrel, which would be productive of inordinate profit to the brewers ; and if you did not allow them to raise the price, you would be guilty of great injustice. He had taken the greatest poffible care, he said, in modifying the tax, fo as not to affect persons poffeffed of that description of property below 701. a year. With respect to the difclosure, he regretted it; but if you have a tax of that kind, it was impossible to effect its chief purposes without examination, and you must therefore adopt ore or other of these alternatives of having a disclofure, or exempting it alto

If any Gentlemen will turn their minds to the subject, and can devise any other mode,, he would be glad to adops it. . It had cver been his most ardent and anxious with to carry public feeling and public opinion along with him: For while he was deterinined to look all our difficulties fairly in the face, he was convinced that, with the public feeling in its favour, the arm of Government, or rather the arm of this great country, must prove irresistible. Mr. Il'. Smith faid a few words in explanation. The report was then brought up, the resolutions read and agreed io, and bills ordered to be brought in on the fame.


The Chancellor of the Exchequer moved, that the House do next day resolve itelf into a Committee of the whole Houfe, to consider of to much of his Majesty's speech of the 23d of November as relates to mercantile transactions Ordered.

He also gave notice, that he would the next day, in the Cominittee of Supply, wyve the consolidation of the excile.

Also, that he would on Friday, in the Committee of Supplu, move the army extraordinaries and miscellaneous fervices for England.

Mr. Wickham gave notice, that he would the next day move for leave to bring in a bill to regulate the corn trade between this countiv and lreland.

Alto, that he would on Friday move for Icave to bring in a bill for preventing illegal combinations between workmen in frel ind.

The bill for supplying the navy wiih seamen was read a fiift time, and ordered to be read a second time the next day.

The report of the Northampton ordnance bill was brought up and agreed to, and the bill ordered to be read a third liine the next day.

The Irish revenue regulation bill was read a second time, and ordered to be comoritted the next day.

The bribery oath bill was read a second time, and ordered to be commitied the next day.

Mr. Bradilaw, froin the Commissioners of Customs in Scotland, pretented an account of corn exported from the 20th of March 1803, to the first of May following. from the excise, the number of licensed ftills in Scotland, and the quantity of walh and spirits distilled there for the English market, from the 5th of January 1802, to the sih of January 1803.- Adjourned.


WEDNESDAY, JUNE 15. Nine bills, and four returned bills, were brought from the Comnions, and presented by Mr. Cartwright, Mr. Larselles, Mr. Scoti, Mr. Pole, Mr. Egerton, and others. The pine bills were read a first lime.

A perilion from Lady Eizabeih Fitzgerald, staring a claim of Peorage, was sead, and referred to the Comunitie of privileges.


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