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prosecution of the war, and he therefore thought he was perfectly in order in giving his sentiments on fuch parts as related to the attack of the enemy, for which this force was in fuine events to be applied.

Mr. Piti claimed ille opinion of the Speaker.

The Speaker said, it had for fome time appeared to him, that the hun. Gentleman was taking an extreine latirode. It was always difficult to say how far Gentlemen would go in illuilration of an argument, but he left it to the hon Genileman to consider whether he had not greatly deviated from the question then before the House.

Mr. Johnstone then said, that after hearing such high au. thority against him, he should not pursue that train of argument any furiher. While he exhorted the Government to avail itself of the mediation of the Emperor of Rusia, he was far from recommending any pufillanimous meafures, and only withed to reserve our strengih till the powers of the Continent have so far retrieved their affairs as to feel ememboldened to afford us their affiftance. As to the ineasure itself, all he had to say was, to express his hearty approbation of it. [This declaration seemed at first to excite surprizë, which was foon converted into a peal of laughter.) He, how. ever, maintained, that there was no incontiitency in what he said; for though he approved of this as a defensive measure, he did not see how it would enable us to break the power

of France.

Colonel Ilutchinson said, the hon. Gentleman who had just sat down, the House, and the couniry, might sest aisured, that, from Ireland, this kingdom would derive the most cordial cooperation and most effectual support. He had no doubi of the hoftile mind of the despot of France against this country, but was c»nvinced the present measure was well calculated to make him repent of his ambitious and infolent attempts to invade iis liberties, and to overturn its invaluable consti. tution.

Colonel Archdale raid, the hon. Gentleman who opened The prelen! debate, had taken su circuitous a roure, thai he believed the House would not be inclined to follow him, nor Thark any Meinber for allempiing lo entertaining a ialk There was, however, one part of the hon. Gentl. man's speech, which he had listened 10 with considerable surprize, when he said, “that this country had lost the affections of one part of Ireland, while they had not conciliated the other." How the hon. Member had become a representative

of Irish affections,

af:&tions, he could not guess; he thould be inclined in doubt the freedom and fairnels of the election, and if a scrutiny were to take place, he thought it would not turn out quite fo pleasing as a late scrutiny, a'luding to the borough), to those who with well to an establithed and constitutional Government. He thought the only object with every one at the present moment ought to be, to join hand and heart in repelling the common enemy. He was well convinced this mealure was intended to produce that so much delired event ; but as he did not see it in the same point of view with many who had spoken in its favour, he begged the artention of ihe House till he afligned a few reasons why he preiumed 10 differ fron ihose who supported ii. He should not enter into its principle or its claules. What every Government, under such circumstances had 10 provide for, was the safety of ihe country without violating ihe constitution. The opponents of his Majesty's Ministers represenied the country as not Life under the management of the present administracion, though now and then they found occasion to say something unicumfortably well founded. In his opinion, ihe Guvern. meni did as inuch as a Goverminent could do the counity infelt must do the rest; as all the neceilary plans, or the greateft part of the plans, were already before it. They endeavoured to keep peace, as long as it could be maințained--and were not Jilpolid, like iheir opponents

Propter belluin, bellundi querere caufas.Much approbation of this plan was not indeed to be expected from those Gentlemen who represent the nilizia as children going to be breèched, as usele's, unlets supported by duubie the number of regulert-ibat all was afatly in ilie nation--that when Ipirit and energy were must wanted, there weiß it public abandonment of them, &c. This lanza gilage, to a person whu talked in that manner of the failure of public spirit, would be

Quid rides? " De re fubulu nariui.At a time when we were threatened with invasion; when a great portion of the community are addicted to habits of pleatuc, luxury, and the most fascinating enjoyments; when to much depends un public impresion, and more on public spuit; when tome Gentieman had not fcrupled to hvid out that the people were alunost in a fiule of abandonment, it was dithcult for prudent men to ditcu's in a prudent

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manner a warlike question like the present in a public affembly. There were two points to be considered: Whether it was not likely this new levy would prove as good 'raised in this manner, as in any other? Whether it was to , be railed as regulars or militia, it must be polished and fharpened by fome means or other before it could be ulcd with effc&t. It will, at all events, have the advantage of being raised more speeciiv, and there was much indeed to be expected and hoped froin calling in officers from the marines, which were certainly a corps that were held in the bighett ettimation from the promptitude, zeal, vigour, and bravery which bad uniformly and pre-eminently diftinguished their exertions at all tiines, on all occasions, and in every quarter of the globe. The second point was, how far it was useful; and in this respect, as it is to serve in Ireland and the islands, its extension must be highly advantageous. He could wish, as the two countries were now united, to see the whole militia of each made disposable to serve in both, as occafion might require. Though this country is always much inclined to lean to its navy, he was certain it would find the army in all cases ready to exert their utinoft efforts, and to die gloriously in defence of their country, and their deareft rights. He had no doubt but tbe general indignant voice of the people of this country would penetrate into the inmost recesses of the Thuilleries, and convince the lordly ruler there, that he would find it not the voice of a war faction, as he had been pleased to name it, but the united senti. ment of a whole nation, ready to die in defence of its liberty, and to hurl its dreadful vengeance on all those who should attempt to invade, overturn, and destroy it.

Lord Blaquire rose and delivered his sentiments in direct opposition to those of the hon. Member who spoke fift (Mr. Jolinitone). He thought that such an opinion of matę ters, in general, tended to thew a desire of placing us again, in the same abject fituation in which we were in by the late Treaty of Amiens, and he thought that, from the whole tenor of that hon. Gentleman's arguments, he (Mr. Johnstone) ought not to have ended by afsenting to the bill. That hon. Gentleman, in his opinion, feemed to aim at nothing else than a surrender of every thing that was dear and value able, and worthy of contideration by this country, to France. In his opinion, fo far from France being invulnerable in every point of view, she was completely vulnerable ou many points; and he was convinced that there was not a

single individual in this country who would not most heartily
join in the present war, were such individuals to take the
trouble to consider minutely the whole fteps of the nego-
tiation. He was surprised to hear the leaft difference of
sentiment in these particulars at this time, when the oppor-
tunity was afforded us to avenge our wrongs, and establish
our rights among the nations of Europe. It might at pre-
sent be reckoned the pride and glory of every Briton, that
there was still one nation left to abate the arrogance, and
humble the pride of France. He was glad when he heard
a right hon. Member call that hon. Gentleman to order, on
account of his having gone so far from the subje&t really
before the House, but he was forry that right hon Gentle
man (Mr. Pitt), had not been in the House at the time that
certain words were uttered by the hon. Member, which in
his apprehenfion were ftill more reprehensible, he meant
the speaking of Bonaparte as an object of terror and dilmay
to this country (a laugh-and cry of hear! hear!) He said
he did not rise at present to give his entire approbation of
the bill, as he thought it deficient in many respects, but he
wished principally to state liis opinion in regard to the fen-
timents he had heard. He thought that there could not be
any defenfive force which could be reckoned fufficiently re-
cure for the country in its present situation, in which there
was not a very large proportion of volunteers, for if we had
not the power to annoy the enemy, we had not the power
to defend ourselves. There were many favourable circum-
ftances which might occur to this country, during the course
of the present contest. It was not inconsistent with reafon
to suppose that the people of Holland should grow impatient
of their yoke. In his opinion it was more than probable,
that the time was not very distant, when these people would
wish to break their chains. There might even be some pro-
vinces of France, who might foun tire of the tyranny and
oppression of their present Governor. On such suppofitions,
he would atk any man, if it would or could be reckoned
of no avail to this country, that there was a force of no less
than 50,000 men, all at the disposal of Government. He
was convinced, that the Gentlemen who conducted the last
war would, on many occafions, have been glad to have had
at additional disposable force of even 15,000 or 20,000
troops. If fuch had been the case, no rebellion in Ireland
could have exifted : if fent to support the troops in Hollanda
the Britiib ftandard might have been flying; the battle of

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Marengo would never have been fought, or if fought it would not have ended in the manner it actually did; and he might even venture to fay, that Toulon might still have been in our poffeffion. His decided opinion was, that there never was a time in which the people of England would more readily and heartily join in offering their services to their King and country; and he should even venture to affirm, that the people of Ireland were never, in the memory of man, more cordially disposed to unite with Great Britain in the support of the conimon cause. There was, in his opinion, no heavier grievance which could be imposed upon the people of these united kingdoms, than for Gentlemen to impress their minds with any degree of disaffection at such a critical conjuncture as the present, especially since it seemed so evident to the generality of individuals that there existed no real cause for disaffection or despondency, He thought, that notwithstanding all the calumny which had, on several occasions, been thrown out by fome newspapers against the conduct of those Gentiemen at the head of affairs, that the people of the country were very much in. debted to thele Gentlemen for that very conduct which fome obscure individuals presuined to disapprove of. The enemy, perhaps, already thought they knew our weaknets, but they did not know the full amount of our strength,

General Gascoyne said, that though he entertained some objections to the present form of the bill, yet he was inclined to support the measure on a mature confideration of the present exigencies of affairs. He could not, however, refrain from riting at present, principally to express his entire disapprobation of the sentiments delivered on this subject, on a former occasion, by an hon. Member near him (Colonel Çraufurd). As far as he could understand that hon. Officer, the opinion which was delivered on the occafion alluded to was, that if ever the enemy landed in this country, and acquired the actual poffeffion of the capital, they might then be considered as if in the possession of the kingdom. (A cry of no! no ! and to order.) If he was wrong in the manner he understood that officer, he should not now trefpafs farther on the time of the House, and therefore should entirely drop that subject. As for the other hon. Member who had that day opened the discussion by a lengthened address to the Chair, which was concluded with an approbation of the very bill against which the speech seemed so much directed, he could not help expressVOL. IV. 1802:3. 3

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