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land to raife volunteer corps for the service of Ireland, and authorizing the Lords Commissioners of the Treasury in Ireland to advance a sum of money for raising the same, at seven guineas per man: to be taken into consideration the next day.
The House resolved itself into a Committee of ways and means for raising a loan of one million, (Irish currency) un treasury bills.
The order of the day was read for taking into consideration the militia pay bill, in Great Britain, for the year 1803.
The Secretary at War proposed an amendment, to increase the pay of Adjutants from 6s. to 8s.
Mr. Bafiard said, that the pay of Adjutants under the present bill, was on a worse fooring than during the last war, when they were allowed 35. 60. military days, besides their regular pay of 6s. and proposed raising their pay to 7s.
Mr. Dennis Brown supported the bill.
The Sccretary at War said, the pay of Adjutants in the militia was the same as in the infantry of the line. He had no particular objection to the hon. Genileman's amendment, but it could not be discussed in the present stage of the buliness. The report to be received next day.
Captain Harvey presented a petition from certain fishermen in some towns on the river Medway, praying leave to be heard by counsel. Agreed to.
The House went into a Committee on the bill for regun lating the Irish revenues of customs and excise.
Mr. Wickham brought up a bill for making provisions for *the wives and families of the militia serving in Ireland. Read 'a first time. * Mr. Corry brought up a bill for amending the act to secure the collection of the revenue arising from malt in Ireland, and for the prevention of frauds amang distillers. Read a first time. To be read a second time the next day, and printed.
Mr. Alexander brought up a report of the amendments to the bill for granting to his Majesty certain duties on malt exported to Ireland. Agreed to, and to be read a third time the next day.
*** Mr. Vanfittart inoved, that fo much of the acts as related to the exportation of corn, &c. to Guernsey and Jersey, be taken into consideration the next day.
The Houfe in a Committee went through the lottery bill.
The five millions exchequer bills bill was read a second time. Adjourned.
HOUSE OF LORD S.
WEDNDSDAY, JULY 6. The royal assent was given by commission to the English and Scotch army of reserve bills, and to one private bill. The commissioners were the Lord Chancellor, and Lords Alvanley and Wallingham.
The Scotch militia families' bill was read a third time and passed.
CLERGY BILL. Upon the motion for the third reading of the clergy bill,
Lord Suffolk, according 10 the intentions which he had iniimaled before, , stated his sentimen:s respecting the bill in question. He did not intend to oppose the bill, nor to enter into it now so fully as if he had been allowed to discuss iis meriis when it was commired. Some bill to this purpose must pass, as the period of suspending adions brought against the clergy for non-residence had now very nearly elapsed. He had before intimated his objections to the bill, which were, that it did not go to what in his opinion was the most essential of all the points that could be comprehended in it, viz. the making some adequate provision for the inferior clergy. He had before stared his opinion that no clergyman ought to have less than 1ool. per annum. This the present Gluation of the country could well afford: and surely it was not too large a provision for a person who had received a liberal education, and whose profession required that he should keep up the appearance of a gentleman. He had before ftated, and not upon light au:hority, that out of the 10,000 livings in England, 4 or 5000 did not yield upwards of 70l. a year. This was an evil which certainly required a remedy, as it was of the last consequence to religion and mo ality, that the clergymen of the country should be enabled to maintain their respectability in the eyes of their parishioners. Some time ago, in alluding to this subject, he had mentioned an instance of the degraded situation 10 which a clergyman, in a certain part of the kingdom, which he had accidentally visited, had been reduced by the smallness of his income. He again alluded to it, both as illustrative of his argument, and that he might have an opportunity of correcting a mistake which had been committed by the public papers in their account of 3 K 2
what he had said when treating this subject on the occasion - alluded to. The public prints had stated him to have said at that time that ihe clergyman, to whose lituation he had called the attention of the House, pollelled fol. a year. With the sum of 401. a year, a clergyınan in that part of the country, and at the time to which he alluded, which was 35 years ago, might have inade a very respectable appearance, and maintained his family with fome comfort. But the clergyman in question, who maintained himself by keeping a pub. lic house, and fiddling to his parishioners, had only 141. a year. He before mentioned a plan by which the livings of The inferior clergy might be rendered more comforiable. The firlt fruits and tenths had done a great deal; but in the manner in which they were at present collected, they fell far thort of what they ought to perform. Instead of a nominal first fruit and tenth, he would advise the collecting of a real Gift fruit and renth. This was surely not 100 much for dignitaris, and those clergy men who had rich livings, to do for the int sior clergy. The first fruits and tenths, as at present collected, did not amount to more thin fireen or fixieco thousand pounds a yeur; but if really and properly colleted, would, he was allured, by a very moderate cal. culation, amoun! 10 6 or 70 thousand pounds a year. Per. haps they mighe amount to more, but he wished to keep within bounds From the payment of these fi:it fruits and tenths he would exempt, not only the curates and clergymen with poor livings, but all those whose incomes did not amount 10 2col. a year. Let the first fruits and renihs be fully levied fron those whose incomes wese above that fum, and if propery app ied, they might affor. I a more adequate relief ia ihe inferior clergy. This would, in his opinion, not only afford the requilire remedy ar prelirii, but might leave a very confiderable surplus This furplus might be applied to the purchase of gleb:s, for those who hał not a fufficient one, to prevent the necellity of taking an additional farin. And if a fariher surplus remained, which was extremely probable, he would advise that it thould be formed into a sort of fonking fund, and ihus the livir.gs of the clergy might be made to keep pace with the improvement of the landed property, and indeed would be a security for them, whatever might be ihe fate of agriculture. It was the neglect and poverty which the inferior clergy had endured in France, as he had for. merly lareil, thai in a great measure had occasioned the revolution in that country. A committee of Bithops had been there appoin'ed to examine into that grievance, but instead of turning their attention to the subject for which they had been appointed, they treated the case of the lower claffes of the clergy, inany of whom had not above 121. a year, with negled, and only resolved, that the livings of the poorer Buhaps ought in the first place to be augmented. He was sure that the right reverend bench oppofile to him would not have acted ihus; and he again assured them that he never had any intention to affirm, that such in a similar fimation would have been their conduct. This assurance he had been obliged to give on a former occation, as he had in that respect been misrepresented by one of the public papers. There was another reason why he wished to call their Lordships' attention 10 this subject. He understood that a bill was about to be inu oduced into the other House, by which the Narute of Mormain was in some degree to be repealed. He ftrongly deprecated that measure. The ftarute of Mortmain, he was convinced, was the best hat ever was made in this country. To abolish it would be attended with the moft pernicious consequences. He therefore took this opportunity of expressing his strongest opposition to the bil in queltion. If it was such as he apprehendled, it was the most objectionable measure which could well be brought forward
[Here the Binop of S!. Aliph called the noble Lord 10 order, saying that was an improper time 10 debate a bill, upon which the House would very gladly hear the noble Lord's sentiments when it came before their Lordships.]
Lord Suffolk proceeded, and confeiled that he might be somewhat out of order; but it was now lite in the leflion. He wilhed 10 go down to the country 10 perform what he thought a molt important dury, viz. 10 excire his tenanis and neighbours to an exertion of that spirii, without which the atacks of our enemies could hardly be relitted, and the country would be in the greatest danger. He, consequently, would not, probably, be in town when the bill in queftio'r reached thai House; and it was upon that account he wished to ftare his sentiments on the subject. He would now, however, proceed to another point in the bill before then. Не certainly was averse io a clergyman degrading himseli to the rank of a mere farmer. He did nor with to enter upon that point, particularly as, he conteffer, he was 1100 fully malier of the subject. His Lordfhip then adverted at conliderable length 10 ihe fabject of tythes, and firongly reprobated the
practice practice of paying tythes in kind. It was certainly not a Thing required by the Christian religion. It was a Mosaic institution, and not, he apprehended, a Testament one. This might in the end turn out of the most pernicious consequence. What would the effe a be of having so much property totally in the power of the Crown? What had been the effects of it in Roman Catholic times? These effects he might be told were not now likely to be produced. He did not know, however, and it was difficult to say, what might happen. It was, besides, of a most pernicious tendency to agriculture. His Lordihip then informed the House of a fact, which he had from his own steward. He himself being a considerable lay proprietor, had sent his steward to let those lands which paid iyihes in kind, and asked him what he had received for them? “A guinea an acre" was the answer. “A gninea an acre?” “ Yes! the lands are good and the crops abun. dant!” He asked no more questions, as this completely satisfied him. A friend of his in Hereford/hire, who was porfeffed of confiderable property there, upon inquiry, told him, that he lei 3001. a year's worth of such lands at il. per acre, and even of this, after the payment of his tythes, very little remained with him. This country ought to consider that France was now become an agricultural country, and under that military despotism, the farmers enjoyed a considerable degree of protection. Some friends of his who had seen that country laiely, had assured himn, from observation, that the ftale of agriculture there was very respectable. This coun'ry had been stated, and perhaps truly, the most improved in its agriculture of any ftaie in Europe. Unless encouragement was given to this most important branch of economy, France mighe in that respect acquire the superiority ; and then not all our commerce could save lis. Commerce ought to have agriculture for its bafis. Whenever the contest was between an agricultural and commercial country, the commercial would most certainly he beaten. His Lordhip then adverted to the tale of Treiand in this respect. He recommended that indian measures ought to be taken to redress the grievances in that quarier. This was of the utmost importance in a period like the present. The country would otherwise be in the utmost danger. He concluded by requesting that their Lordhips would take these poinis into iheir conlideraginn; and repeated, ihat unless a proper attention were paid to idem, the couniry would be in the uimost danger.