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The Lord Chancellor rofe, and briefly adverted to what had fallen from the last speaker wiih respect to iyihes. The olher pari was totally out of order. He did not with to enter into the subject at any length. His Lordship (Suffolk) was a lay-proprietor. He would inform him, that upon the principles which he had stated, if put in practice, he could not long call his estate his own.

Lord Suffolk explained.

Lord Limerick said, that he did not mean to enter upon the discussion staried by the noble Lord. But as Ireland had been mentioned, he would put it to the noble Lord's good sense, whether it was proper at a time like the prelent, to send abroad with the sanction of his authority, which juftly stood high, sentiments putting the Irish in mind, that they had grievances to complain of, when it was too late in the seffion, just now to have these grievances redressed. His Lordship might do a good deal of injury by stirring up commotions among a people, certainly of rather a turbulent difposition.

The Bishop of St. Afaph only rose to say, that the payment of ryihes in kind could not be injurious to agriculture, as it would be the same thing, as far as respected the celivation of land, whether the proprietor was a layman or a clergyman. This was proved by the flourishing state of those lands that paid tyihes in kind. One half of these tythes was, besides, in all cases, in the hands of a lay proprietor, and two-thirds of the other half, when lands were let out on lease, belonged to the lessee.

The bill was then read a third time and passed.-Adjourned.


WEDNESDAY, JULY 6. Mr. Quarme, Deputy Usher of the Black Rod, appeared at the bar, and summoned the attendance of the House in the House of Peers, to hear the Royal affent given by commission to certain bills (see the Lords). The Speaker, attended by the Members present, weni, and on their return reported accordingly.

The Marchionefs of Downshire's truft estate bill was read a second time, and referred to a private Committee.

Foote's divorce bill was passed, and ordered to the Lords. The bill for carrying into effect the purposes of Queen


Anne's bounty act, was read a second time, and committed for next day.

The Altorney General moved, pursuant to notice, for leave to bring in a bill for the protection of black game in the New Forest, in the county of Southampton, by poltponinga the commencement of thooting from the ist of August to the 1st of September, and other regulations.

Mr. Shaw Lefevre withed it Thould stand over until next Sellion, in order that the Genilemen in the neighbourhood should have an opportunity of considering how it might effect their interests.-Leave given.

Mr. Tierney presented a petition from the debtors confined in the Fleet Prison, praying relief.--Ordered to be laid upon the table.

The Attorney General brought up the New Forest game bill-read a firit time; ordered to be read a second time the next day.

Mr. Alexander reported the resolutions agreed to in the Committee of Supply, empowering the Lord Lieutenant to increase the bounty for railing the additional military force in Ireland; and also the resolution, that it be an instruction to the Committee on the Irish army defence bill, to make provision for said resolutions in faid bill.

Sir William Pulteney obtained leave to bring in a bill for erecting a beacon upon the Bell Rock, upon the North-East coast of Scotland.

A motion relative to the duties upon sugar, of which an hon. Member gave notice the preceding day for Thursday, was deferred by Sir W. Pulteney, the hon. Member not being able to attend ihat day.

. Col. Huichinson said, he had lately made fome objeäions to the malı duties, with respect to iheir operation upon the Irich manufacture. The answer he had received was, that though the advantage was now in favour of the English distiller, the Irith distiller would have a corresponding advantage at the end of the war. There were two Gentlemen in town who represent the Irish disilleries, and they were of opinion that ine answer was not satisfactory, as the advantage was contingent, whereas the loss was present and certain. It was therefore his intention to move for a return of the stock here on hand, with a view to make it the foundation of some measure for the compensation of the Irish distiller at a future day. In taking this course, his conduct was directed by his judgment. He neither canvaffcd the approbation; nor

deprecated deprecated the censure of any man. The hon. Member concluded with moving, “That there be laid before the House an account of the quantiry of the stock in hand of homemade fpirits of Englith gross difillers upon the 14th of June."

Mr. l'anfitları said, the motinn, if carried, would not an. swer the object, as there was a large quantity in the hands of dealers as well as of distillers.

Sir Lawrence Parsons was convinced that the present mode did not interfere with the articles of union. The Irish distiller was only placed in the fituation of an English diftiller, who happens to have no stock on hand. The only mode of carrying ihe act into effect would be letting the couplervailing dury take effect upon the same day as the internal duty. He did not think there was any foundation for the opinion entertained by the hon Member (Colonel Hutchinson.)

Colonel Hutchinson then withdrew his motion, and proposed another to the same effe&, only substituting 5th July for 5th June.

Mr. Vanfiltart said, the same objections applied to this as to the former motion.

Col. Hutchinson withdrew it, and moved,-" That an account be laid before the House of the probable amount of home-made spirits permitted for home distillers, from the 14th June to the 5th July.” Agreed to.

A message from the House of Lords announced their having agreed to the clergy residence bill, the Scotch militia families, and one private bill.

Mr. Wickham obtained leave to bring in a bill, for extending to Ireland the provisions of a bill, passed this feflion in England, for relieving Magistrates from the effects of vexarious suits and actiuns, in consequence of erroneous convictions.

The Chancellor of the Exchequer observed, that he under- . stood the necessary papers could not be prepared before Satur. day; he found himself under the necessity of moving, that the further consideration of the report of the real and perso. Dial consolidated duties bill, which stood for Monday next, Bould be deferred to Friday.---Ordered.

MILITIA SURGEONS. On the report of the resolutions relating to the pay and cloathing of the militia being brought up,

Sir 11. Elford laid, he had been in hopes, that some provision would have been made for the surgeons of the militia.

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It was certainly right that the regiments of militia, consider ing the fort of service they were most likely to undergoi should have the same affistance from regular bred proteffiona persons as the regulars; but, at present, the encouragement in the former department was such, as to offer no temptation, except to raw and inexperienced young men, who might be under some difficulty to find any other mode of einployment. By the regulations now in being, militia surgeons, in time of piace, must have been thirty years in the fervice, before they could be entitled to the finall provision of three thillings per day, which the House must be sensible was extremely inadequate to the expectations, and just pretensions, of experienced professional men ; and from fome calculations he had feen, it would appear, that should the present war continue for even five years longer, there were but a very few surgeons of militia, who could be entitled to the scanty provisions made by the act of perliament. He was not, he said, provided with any motion on this subject, but threw out these few observations for the consideration of his Majesty's Mi- , hifters.

No answer was made, and the resolutions having been agreed to, the bill was ordered to be read a third time the next day.

ARMY OF RESERVE. The order of The day being read for the fecond reading of the Irish additional force bill,

General Gascoyne rose, he said, with very great reluctance, to trespass once more upon the indulgence of the House, by a few observations upon a subject which had already been so fully discussed on a former nighi, namely, the situation in which there countries stand, with respect to the danger of the threatened invasion, and the means of our defence. On this subject a very considerable impression had been made upon the minds of many Gentlemen in that House, and had very serious effects without doors upon the funds, and the monied and commercial interests of the country; nor was it matter of surprise, as arguments of such desponding tendency had fallen from such high authority, as that of a right hon. Gentleman near him (Mr. Windham), and that of an hon. Colonel near him, of high military experience, and well known to the Powers of Europe, and also from several other Gentlemen of high miliiary experience. His purpose for rising that day, was to do away those impressions, for which ne really felt no serious grounds, notwithllanding all the


menaces of the enemy, and his display of preparations in invade this country.

It must be in the recollection of every Gentleman who heard him, that in 1798, the menaces of French invasion were to the full as loud, and valked of with as much alarm as at the present moment; that a French army was affembled upon the opposite coasts, avowedly for the purpose, and affuming to itself the pompous and daring appellation of “ The Army of England;" but it must te allo recollected, that in the course of a few munths, this army was withdrawn), and the next thing heard of it was from the fores of Africa, on its way to Egypt, where it was finally destroyed, or taken by the real Army of Eng. land, whose name it had audaciously usurped.

Was is not therefore to the full as likely, that the army now allembled upon the opposite coalts, though avowedly deligned for the invasion of this country, was really intended for some other design; probably for ihe recapture of Egypt, which Bonapanie had avowed to be his favourite obje1, and one of which he never would lose light; or, pollibly, for an attack agaiast our posteMons in the East or West Indies ? It, therefore, we continue to relain the whole of our force, to stand upon a mere defensive system at home, without any attempt to attack the enemy in his vulnerable points, or preparing to meet his defigns in other quarters, our finances would be exhauited, in endeavouring to support fo tardy and inactive a fyftem. An bon, Gentleman, formerly a Member of that House, but now no more, had often expressed his surprise at the novelties produced by the French revolution in the course of the war ; but what would he have said at this day, had he lived to have seen such an extraordinary novelty as this country, poffefred as she was of such a forinidable navy, flushed with victories, ani so ably ininned and appointed for our defence; with a disciplined army of 20,000 troops of the line within our country, besides 70,000 militia, well armed and disciplined, and lo numerous a body of volunteers, also well disciplined, exclusive of the 50,000 men to be raised under those bills, alarmed at ihe menaces of an invasion from an enemy who has no navy she dare send to sea without a moral certainty of finding their way into Britih ports, instead of ever re urn. ing to France? For his own part, he thought the apprehension of invation from such an enemy almost ridiculous; and that instead of standing upon the defensive, we ought to fill up the regiments of ihe line with the men to be taifed, to the number of 1200 UR 1300 men to a regiment, as at once the 3L 2


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