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HOUSE OF COMMONS.
MONDAY, JULY 25. A message was received from the Lords, intimating that their_Lordships had agreed to the Irish Trealury bills bill; the English militia completion bill'; the chapel endowment bill; the Highland canal bill; and the woollen manufacturers' penaliy fufpenfion bill.
Colonel Weson gave notice of his intention to move certain claufes of amendment in the income and property 'tax bill, for certain allowances to landed proprietors, on account of repairs and drainage.
Lord Cafil reagh moved the order of the day for the House to resolve itself into a Committee on the East India thipping bil).
Mr. Johnstone rose, and repeated his former arguments against the granting of compensations to the contractors for India freights, beyond what they had agreed to receive during the period of peace, He contended, that having not only made their bargain in the first instance, but 'made it at a rate of 211. per ton, at the very fame moment that there were offers froin the thip.owners at Hull, at Newcastle, and various other ports belide London, to take ihe freights at 181. 15$. Nay, some had offered to take the contract at 141. the ton; and live ships had actually been taken up, and contracted with by the Directors at 181. 5$. Those ship owners had now no right whatever to come forward with new claims for additional compensation, under pretence of war breaking out, and 10. demand compensation which they never dreamt of at ihe moment of entering into their contra&.' The Directors, he contended, had no right whatever to break up those contracts, and to lay the proprietors open to new claims; and he concluded by observing, that lo far did he conceive the contractors from being likely to suftain any lofs, he was convinced they must be considerable gainers by their original bargain, by having a rate so much-superior to that which other fhip owners had agreed to accept. The circumstances of contracts in this way differed most maierially from those of former years. The navigation to India was so much better understood, and the arrangements in India fo much better calculated for procuring freights with promptitude than heretofore, that the voyage out and home was com.
pleted of late in fifteen months, which formerly used to occupy two whole years. · However, if the House would agree to suspend the present bill, and the claim should be again brought forward early in the next feftion, if any one of the whole twenty-one Ihip-owners who were claimants in the prelent cale, would then prove that he fuftained any loss by the performance of his contract, he (Mr. Johnstone) would cheerfully consent even to a much greater compensation than that now proposed...
Lord Cajilereagh defended the measure, upon the ground that it was perfectly consistent with the original spirit of the contract. The bidding, he said, was to be at a peace rate, but it was agreed and understood, that in case war fhould be declared, the performance Thould be at a war rate, and that both were to stand as distinct considerations.
Sir William Pulteney supported the sentiments of Mr. Johnstone.
Mr. Peter Moore defended the terms of the amended contract, which, he said, were as jealously opposed, and as warmly discussed at the India-House, as they could be in that assembly.
: The House then resolved into a Committee, agreed to the refolutions, and the Chairman was ordered to bring up the report the next day.
BONDING AND WAREHOUSE SYSTEM. General Tarleton, adverting to the bill pending before the House, respecting the bonding and warehoufing goods, for the accommodation of the mercantile interests, obterved, that as it was the notice of the right bon, the Chancellor of the Exchequer that this subject ihould again be taken into consideration on Friday night, he had to say, that the bill not having yet been printed according to the orders of the House, he of course had not had an opportunity of forwarding a copy thereof, for the confideration of his con ftituents, who were very materially interested in its operation, in order to receive their instructions on the fulject fo foon as Friday. He, therefore, hoped the right hon. Gentleman would have no obje&tion to defer the Com.. mittee til! Monday.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer cheerfully acquiffred, and moved that the order for Friday be discharged, and the Coinmittee appointed for Monday. Mr. Corry role and advcrted to fonie obfervations made VOL. IV. 1802-3.
during his absence on a former night, respecting the extenfion of the bonding and warehouting system to Ireland. He perfectly agreed, that consistently with the principles laid down by his right honourable Friend, (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) this, as well as every other principle for the advantage and improvement of commerce, ought to be extended to Ireland in common with this country. He then explained the reafons which, in his mind, rendered it unnecessary for him to bring forward a bill of this nature in respect to Ireland, during the present feffion of Parliament.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer's motion, for deferring the Committee till Monday, was agreed to.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. Lord Hawkesbury moved the order of the day for the House to refolve into a Committee of Supply.
Lord Leveson Gower said, he certainly 1hould not oppose the motion of the noble Lord, for going into a Committee of Supply that day. But as notice had been given that a motion would be that day made for granting certain compensations or allowances to the Prince of Orange, agreeably to his Majesty's message referred to the Committee of Supply, he wished to be informed of the grounds upon which it was the noble Lord's intention to move for such allowance ; whether it was upon the grounds of any deficiency in the compensation ftipulated for him by the 15th article of the treaty of Amiens, or as an additional compensation to the terms stipulated under that treaty. From what had fallen from a right hon. Gentleman some time before laft Christmas, an intention seemed to have been then entertained by his Majesty's Ministers, of bringing forward tome mcasure in favour of the Prince of Orange ; and he wished to know why an intention so long since entertained should have been so long kept back by those Ministers, and now brought forward at the latter end of July, when nearly four-fifths of the Members of Para liament were retired to the country, and confequently could have no opportunity of considering the question?
Lord Hawkisbury observed, that the object for the House resolving into a Comınittee of Supply at this moment, was not exclusively the consideration of his Majesty's message respecting the Prince of Orange. This, however, was one of the objects; and so foon as the House should resolve
into a Committee, he should explain his motives on that ground.
The House then resolved into a Committee.
Lord Hawkesbury rose and said, that though he felt as strongly as any man, decided reluctance to bringing forward any measure tending to impose unoecessary burthens upon the country, and more especially at a crisis such as the present, yet he trusted that when the Commiutee Thould have heard his explanation of the measure he had to propose that night, they would not only acquit him of the charge of bringing forward an unjust or unnecessary propofition, but that they would admit the proposal he was about to have the honour of submitting for their confideration, was one which had not only the strongest claims upon the generosity, the liberality, and wise policy of this country, but founded in a principle of that justice; one which he would not, though he might with 'propriety, reft upon the recommendation expressed in his Majesty's message, but which he would explain more at large, to new the justice of the claim he was aboạt
The obligations This country owed to the House of Orange,' he said, were greater than ever were due by any country to any great fainily at the head of a national government. To prove this, he would call to the recol. lection of the House, the uniform conduct of the House of Orange, on all occasions, to this country, from the period we owed to an illustrious Prince of that House the preservation of our constitution and our liberties, to the present moment, Upon every occasion the fieady atrachment of that illustrious House was strongly and uniformly marked towards this country, and increased in proportion to the preponderance it obiained in the county of its sovereignty; The connection of which with Great Britain it had uniformly laboured 10 forlify. These were considerations which he was sure could not fail of having great weight with the House. But with respect to the foreign transactions on which that House had been committed in common with this country, and in which it had facrificed its deareft inte. refts, its power and poffeffion, to Briith attachment, its claims upon the generosity of this country must une doubtedly be felt wiih ftill grea er force. He would not say, merely on a ground of conipassion, however forcible inight be the appeal to British generosity on that score, but upon much biglier claims, thyte of justice and 4 Q2
liberality. - It was a fact too well known to require recapitulation now, that the illustrious Prince at the head of the House of Orange had, in the strength of his attachment to Great-Britain, loft every thing which belonged to him, whether as 'sovereignty, rank, power, or private property, in the late contest. In the negotiation of the treaty of Amiens, it was stipulated that some compensation should be made him, in confideration of which he had agreed to furrender all claims to the fovereignty and other rights in the United Provinces. How far these compensations were adequate to the surrenders he consented to make, was not now to be considered; nor was it a matter easy to calculate. But whatever was the compensation ftipulated, it had not been fulfilled according to that ftipulation; and the only part of the agreement which had been performed, was now again violated by the recent aggression of France ; and having thus loft every thing for its attachment to England, it became the just right of the House of Orange to claim, and the duty of his Majesty's Ministers to propose some plan of compensation, by which to alleviate the distresses to which that illuftrious House had been reduced, until events should give some turn to its fortunes. His Majesty, impressed by these considerations, certainly felt it both his duty and earnest desire to recommend the subject to the confideration of his Parliament, in the hope that some compensation would be thought just for the House of Orange ; and upon this ground it was, that his Majesty sent his royal message to the House. The House must recollect, that in the course of the war, very eminent services were rendered to this country by the Prince of Orange, and that a very confiderable Dutch fleet was surrendered to England in his name. In the subsequent negotiation with the Batavian Government, for compensation to the Prince of Orange, it was stipulated on their part, that if the Dutch ficet, furrendered to England in his name, was given back, they would make ample provision for him. His Majesty's Ministers, , . however, could not deem it politic to enter into any ftipulation of this fort, but as it stood in the way of compensation to the House of Orange for the losses they had sus, tained, their claims were the stronger upon the juftice and generosity of this country. Considering therefore all thele points, and the power and possessions the family were compelled to abandon for their services and attachment to this country, he trusted the llouse would feel the force of its.