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should the next day resolve itself into a Committee, to consider the expediency of relieving out of the public money such temporary curates as may be deprived of their cures, in consequence of the act which has lately palled for promoting the relidence of the clergy.

On the order of the day being read for the further consideration of the cotton weavers' bill,

Colonel Stanley moved, that it be postponed till that day three months.

Mr. H. Lee opposed the motion.

The Chancellor of the Exchequer, in a speech of considerable length, thewed the necesity there was of delaying this bill till next session, and therefore he concurred in the morion.

On the question being put, the postponement was agreed to.

The prize captors' relief bill, the Irish Justices' bill, and the Irish militia family bill, were severally reported, and ordered to be read a third time the next day, and then engrossed.

A bill for rectifying some mistakes in the Scotch army of reserve bill, as to the regulation of substitutes, was read a first tiine, and ordered to be read a second time the next day.

The courts martial witnesfes' bill, and the volunteer corps' bill were severally reported; and ordered to be read a third time the next day.- Adjourned.


TUESDAY, JULY 26. The London coal market bill was read a third time and passed.

Doctor Fisher, the new bishop of Exeter, took the oaths and his feat.

GENERAL DEFENCE, The general defence bill was reported, and the amendments agreed to.

Lord H.bart moved that the bill should be read a third time, which was done. He then proposed several new amendments, which were agreed to; and as some apprehensions were entertained, that persons serving in volunteer corps were liable to be drafted into the army of referve, he proposed a clause to remove these apprehensions. Agreed to.


The bill was then passed, and sent to the Commons.

In a few minutes after, Mr. Alexander brought up the bill, stating that the Commons had agreed to their Lordfhips' amendments.--Adjourned.



ALIENS. The Attorney General rose to submit to the House the propriety of making some alterations in the laws respeding aliens. It appeared necessary that persons offending under the alien act should be liable to be punished in a more summary manner than was at present provided for. Under the act they could be punished by indictment only for disobeying the King's proclamation, and other offences. This mode of proceeding was, however, frequently very inconveuient; and it would be proposed to alter it. Another change which he intended to suggest related to the power of sending aliens out of the country; that power was at present poffeffed by the magistrates; but in his opinion it ought to be lodged in the hands of the Crown only. Several other regulations, which were not necessary in the time of peace when the last act was passed, would be introduced into the bill he was to bring in. Regulations would also be made respecting the ports at which aliens thould be permitted to land. It was very desirable that no necessity should arise for suspending the habeas corpus act; and in order that the people of this country might not be subjected to that inconvenience, it was proper to be more vigilant with respect to aliens. Under the present circumstances of the country, it was indispensibly requisite that foreigners should be placed under restrictions, which he should be very sorry to see extended to the people of this country. He therefore moved, that leave be given to bring in a bill to repeal the alien act, and to substitute other regulations in lieu thereof.—Leave was given to bring in the bill.

The Attorney General also obtained leave to bring in a bill to amend so much of the acts of the 2d and 7th Geo. I. as relates to the pilots of Deal, Dover, and the Ide of Thanet.

SUGARS. Mr. Chapman said, he should not propose the motion he intended to submit, at fo late a period of the Se Miun, if the

duties now payable upon West-India produce, were not so exorbitant as must prove ruinous to individuals, and ultia mately injurious to the revenue. He did not doubt the Minister's disposition to levy taxes equally, but when he said, that the colonial articles could not only bear the new tax act, but could also do it if carried to a greater extent, he did not hesitate to say that his information was unfounded, and grossly and glaringly false. He was ready to prove his assertion, and make it evident when an opportunity thould be given him, that the colonial produce was over-taxed ; that all the profit went into the hands of the Exchequer; that the different taxes left very little to the planter for his capital, and nothing for his rent; and that ihe planter paid full twenty thillings in the pound on his rent, and at least fifieen :thillings in the pound out of his capital,

Upon this fyftem, thereture, the moderation of Bonaparte himself could not leave the colonists less than the moderation of the present Minister. This was not to be answered by cases of individual opulence, any more than in other concerns; and were he aiked, why, if it was a losing trade, they did not withdraw their capital, his answer would be, because the thing was impoflible, without renouncing two-thirds of their property, and leaving the remainder in a state of the uimost insecurity. He withed i hat the tax, particularly on sugar, should be levied ad valorem; for as it stood at present, the commoneft brown or black sugars paid as high a tax as the finest fort, by which the poor man, who bought his common sugar by the pound or half-pound, paid a tax of a penny, whereas the gentleinan, who bought his sugas by tho-loaf, paid no more than a halfpenny. He then moved that the House do, on Thursday next, resolve itself into a Committee, to consider of ihe duties upon sugar,

The Chancellor of the Exchequer said, if he understood the hon. gentleman right, he meant to represent the trading interest of this couniry to be at variance with that of the colonies; whereas a reference to the records of Parliament would shew that of the West-India colonies to be a very favoured trade. In proof of this he quoted the bonding and warehousing acts, passed principally for the accommodation of the West-India merchants. Neither did the indulgence Itop there; for in the last Seffion a bounty was granted on the importation of refined sugars, and afterwards on the exporta:ion of sugars in a raw and unmanufactured state. If The case was really as stated, it would be impossible to account VOL. IV, 1802-3.


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for the rise of 155. in the price of sugar under all this mighty pressure, for the price was lately no more than 335. whereas he understood that that very day it was as high as 48s. In the course of ihe last war sugar had risen sometimes so high as Sos. at the time that the vecessaries of life were at a most exorbitant and distresfing price, and yet neither the export trade nor the home consumption of sugar had in any degree diminished. With regard to the ad valorem duty, he affured the House, that several of the most intelligent people had been consulted on it, and that, on the most mature deliberation, it was found to be impracticable. The poor man, no doubt, paid as high a duty as he who bought sugar of the first quality, but then he did not pay fo high a price for il.

This buying in small quantities always subjected a person of limited means to pay more than he who purchased confiderably, on account of the number of hands receiving profit in a retail way before it came to the consumer, but this applied to every other article as well as that of sugar, except in articles of the first neceflity, which the poor could buy as cheap'as the rich at market. As to the planters not being allowed sufficiently for their capirals, he could not well reconcile that with fo much British capital laid out in plantations in Martinique and other islands, and the numerous applications for other grants of lands in the ifland of Trinidada. He concluded with moving, that the other orders of the day be now read.

Sir W. Pulteney saw no difficulty in levying an ad valorem doty on sugar. When the right hon. Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) collected his information from persons of opposite inierests in trade, he might expect to hear very contradictory representations.

Mr. Manning declared, that if the hon. Baronet's obser! vations referred to him, they were unfounded. He never had used any influence with the right hon. Gentleman in any conversations with him. He was convinced that it was impossible to adopt an ad valorem duty, without occafioning great vexations to trade.

The Chancellor of the Exchequer thought it due to his hon. friend (Mr. Manning) to state, that though he was certainly apprised of his opinion with respect to the tax under confideration, yet he had never pressed that opinion with violence or pertinacity; but had always stated it with that moderation which was peculiar to his character.


Mr. Panfittart said, they could not send the sugars to America, without being liable to penalties and confiscations.

Mr. Giles thought it would be conferring a considerable benefit upon the planter or manufacturer of fine fugar, were the duty to be laid on according to the quality. He thought the present mode of laying on the duty according to the quantily, whether fine or coarse, was doing an injustice to the manufacturer of coarse sugar.

After a conversation of some length, upon this subject, Mr. Chapman agreed to withdiaw his motion.



The Chancellor of the Exchequer moved, that the House should go into a Committee, to consider the expediency of relieving, out of the public money, such temporary curates as might be deprived of their cures by the operation of the late bill for the residence of the clergy. The House accord. ingly went into a Committee.

The Chancellor of the Exchequer said, he should have apologized to the Committee, for what he was about to propose, did he not believe that it was a measure which would meet with the general concurrence of the House, from every hint which he had yet occasion to receive upon the subject. It had long been a part of the established policy of the country to encourage the residence of the clergy; but she stipendiary curate bill could not be said to include every description of curates, or to entiile them to the bounty of Parliament. He was sure that Parliament, in its justice and compassion, would not admit of hardships being felt by the description of men he alluded to, when the sum of 8000l. would be sufficient in a great measure to prevent their distress. It ought not only to proceed from a sense of justice, but it ought to be the established policy of the country to prevent the clerical character from being lowered and degrader, and he thought that it ought not to be a part of that policy, to admit the expediency of persons entering into holy orders, who have no other means of fublistence ihan their clerical profession. There was hardly a church living for curales, which, considering the present value of money, could be sufficient to procure a livelihood for themselves and their families. It was not therefore 100 much for Parliament to expect that they should be persons who had other means of sublifience than what they derived from their clerical functions. He thought that upon the principles of Queen Anne's bounty, fomething ought to be done for the poore 4 S 2


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