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wine prize bill, the Canada courts bill, and the Irith glebe house bill, were read a second iime; and ordered to be committed the next day.
The House went into a Committee on the Newfoundland fishery bill, in which
Mr. Vansıllart, moved a clause, sending to allow a bounty of 3s. on every hundred of fish imported into Great Britain and Ireland. The resolutions were agreed to, and the report was ordered to be received the next day,
The consolidation and stamp duty bills were committed Reports the next day.
The affelled taxes bill was re-committed, and after some discussion had taken place, respecting the dimensions of windows, the Chairman (Mr. Alexander) reported progrefs, and asked leaye io fit again the next day.
The Scorch, affefled taxes bill was also re-committed, and ordered to be reported the next day.--Acjourned.
HOUSE OF LORD S.
THURSDAY, AUGUST 4. The million and a half Exchequer bills bill, the vote of credit, and woollen manufacturers suspension bills, were read a third time, and pailed.
Sir W. Scott brought up from the Common:, the stipendiary curates bill, and Mr. Bragge the Bristol port bill.
PROPERTY BILL. On the order of the day being read for the second reading of this bill,
'I he Duke of Norfolk observed, that it was so voluminciis as to make it impoflible for him to read and di elt it in so fhort a space of time. There was, however, one chiuse. which he had very strong objections iv, namely, that, which exempled the creditors of the Government, or, in other words, persons poffefling property in the funds, from paying their due proportion. He thould not make any motion on it in the present stage, but thould deliver his sentiments ou it in the Commilce, which was fixed for the next day.
The Lord Chuncellor laid, there was an objection which occurred to him on the first view of the bill, which was. that it militated again the standing order of 1832, prohibiting
the grant of public inoney in a bill which embraced two different objects. The present bill included two particular objects-ilt. To provide for those curates who might be deprived of their livings by the operation of the bills which had already passed: and, 2dly. A grant of a sum of money to provide generally for them, and render their fituation more comfortable ihan it would otherwise be. It would remain for their Lordships to consider whether this obje&ion was to be decisive of the fate of the bill.
Lord Suffolk stated, that the bill had his approbation, as far as regarded its rendering the situation of the inferior clergy more comfortable ; but he hoped that no objections, in point of form, would frustrate the measure, as had been the case with some other very beneficial regulations. The laws already in force, enabled the bishops to make allowance to curates as far as the amount of 7ol. but every one must know, that many incumbents made private bargains with their curates, for the recompence of 30l. or 401. a year. He was, however, glad to hear, that a bill was now pending for better provision to be made to the persons suffering in their curacies from the consolidated fund.
The Duke of Norfolk said, his obje&ions to the bill principally arose from the power given to bithops to diminish the se venues of incumbents one-fifth, which must materially de. teriorate the property of individuals, and particularly ihose 'persons who were possessed of advowsons.
The clause respeing this object having been then read, his Grace acknowledged that he had been under a mistake in the provisions of the bill.
'The Lord Chancellor observed, that it was true the law at prefent authorised bishops to make allowance to curates of 70. a-year, but no force or power of an act of Parliament could prevent private agreements between incumbents and their curales. There was, perhaps, some reason to lament that the bill would diminish the patronage and property individuals, and the more ro as this kind of property was now in the nature of assets, and sold in the same manner and facility as corn at a market.
The bill was then read a second time, and committed for the next day.
GENERAL DEFENCE, Lord Suffolk faid, that having heard in the country of a measure proposed for an army of reserve and the general defence of the nation, he had come to town for the purpose
of being better informed with respect to them. He wished to know how the army of reserve was to be drilled, how the officers were to be appointed, and in what manner that force was to be rendered effectual? There was also another subject in which he was desirous of information, namely, how far the city of London had contributed its due proportion of mea to the general defence of the country. He hoped it would not be deemed unparliamentary, if he flightly alluded to a difcuffion which had taken place in another House, respect, ing our means of defence, and the appointment of a military council. He had received some letters relating to the proportion offered by the city of London, one of which he had in his pocket; and from the whole of the information conveyed to him, he was induced to think that blame attached to the ciiy of London, which had not done as much as, in such circumstances, might be expected, and what it ought to do: Imprelfed forcibly by these considerations, without at p.eseng naming any particular day, he gave notice, that he thould submit this subject to the view of Parliament before the con, clufion of the present Seffion, late as it was, and hoped his Majesty's Ministers would then attend in their places, in order to give such information as he and the public had a right to expect from them.
The House then, on the motion of the Lord Chancellor, reversed the decision of the Court of Sellion in Scotland, in the appeal cause of Bethune v. M.Lean.'
The further consideration of the appeal cause, the Carron canal company v. Ogilvie, was deferred till the first Monday in the next Sellion.
The farther consideration of the Scotch appeal cause, Crawfurd v. Coutts, was deferred till the next day; to which day the House adjourned.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
THURSDAY, AUGUST 4. General Maitland moved a new writ for the fire of , Kinross, in the room of General Clephane, who, lince his election, has accepted the office of Governor of Grenada. Ordered.
The Scoich malt bill was read a third time, and passed.
Lord Amherst's annuity, the wine prizes, the custom house officers' protection, and the city of London defence bills, VUL. IV. 1802-3
went through a Committee, and were ordered to be reported the next day.
On the report of the Bell Rock light-house bill, a long conversation took place.
Sir W. Curiis objected to a measure which would impole a duty of ten or twelve thousand pounds on the trade of London, when it was evident that the intended light-house, however useful in some other respects, and desirable, as plans of improvement must always be, would afford no benefit whatcver to the East-India trade.
Mr. I. H. Browne agreed, that it would not be just to fubje&t any lhips to pay duties from what they were to derive no benefit; but the general advantage must be obvious, and no one could doubt the great benefit of which this measure would be to the Greenland, the Archangel, and the Baltic trades. Due and sufficient notice had been given of the measure, and, as the evidence before the Committee remnained uncontradicted, he thought it was too late in the Sellion to require further information, which, by delaying, might defeat the whole.
After some observations from General Phipps, the Lord Mayor of London, Mr. Ferguson, Mr. Wm. Smith, Mr. Windham, Sir Wm. Pulteney, and several others, the House divided on the clause for imposing a duty on thips trading to Greenland, Archangel, and the Baltic trade, for the support of this light house, in which the numbers were,
Ayes, 17-Noes, 24.—Majority, 7. The claufe was of course rejected, and ihe bill ordered to be read a third time she next day.
DEFENCE OF THE COUNTRY. The House resolved itself into a Committee on the general defence amendment bill.
Mr. Wilberforce observed, that he did not object to the principles of volunteer service, but he thought this bill would be making invidious diftin&tions between those who volunteered and ihe people who served in a mass.
The Secretary at War fated, that the bill was only intended to suspend the general defence, whenever threefourths of a district were obtained by volunteer corps.
Mr. Windham was of opinion, that the system of volunteering was establishing a dangerous aristocracy in the country, which would defeat the object of the measure. There were many men, who would be restrained from entering into volunieer corps by the inability of some to purchase the necesa
sary uniforms; and the natural modesty of others, which would inake them tenacious of entering into the same corps with their superiors in rank. The opinion he entertained upon the subje&t was very much strengthened by fome very pertinent remarks in the public prints; the contents, were not in general of that description.
Mr. Sheridan ridiculed the hon. Gentleman's sarcasms on the pablic prints, observing, that in compliment to his friend (Mr. Cobbel) he probably preferred the weekly to the diurnal publications. He praised the readiness, zeal, and alacrity of the volunteer corps, and remarked, that, with the exception of the regulars, there was not a corps in the kingdom on which the late Secretary at War had not caft some degree of odium. He approved of this bill, because it encouraged volunteer exertions, and pointed out the station in which every man in the country ought to place himself. It had been stated by the right hon. Gentleman, with respect to the general defence bill, that its object ought to have been to march companies to the army, and that their first destination was to be that of filling up the regiments of the line. He had spoken to Gentlemen upon that subject, who thought that a nobleman, gentleman, tradesman, or farmer, all of whom were liable to the operation of the act, if they did not volunteer, would be very much surprised to find themselves, perhaps in the course of a month, in a private regiment, and liable to be tied up to the halberts. It was impossible for any man to make a comparison between the volunteers and those who were drilled on compulfion. Could the latter be compared with those patriotic volunteers, who were sacrificing their time in perfecting themselves in their exercise? Look at the St. George's, and the Westminster volunteers, who'most likely might, at this moment, be seen exercising in the Hall. But the hon. Gentleman had said, he disliked that superiority and spirit of aristocracy in towns and villages, which it was the tendency of the bill to introduce. He denied that it would have any such effe&. The only effect of the bill was that of allowing persons to volunteer instead of being compelled to serve. They were not obliged to wear an uniform. If in villages they voluntarily came forward without uniform, they were exempted from ihe operation of the general defence bill. In large towns, such as Birmingham, Sheffield, and Nottingham, he should prefer associations of the higher classes, and in the country and villages those of the lower. He was satisfied with the power this bill gave 5 E 2