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windows whofe dimensions were four feet three inches broad, and eleven feet high, he proposed to have charged as double windows, and that no fingle window thould contain more than 36 fuperficial feet.
Mr. Vanfittart objected to the motion of the hon. Member, as it went to exempo such windows from being taxed as were under the dimensiuns already lared.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer also disapproved of the amendment.
The resolutions were then agreed to, and the report ordered to be received the next day.
The Scorch at Ted taxes bill was re committed, and ordered to be received 10 next day.
HOUSE OF LORDS.
FRIDAY, AUGUST 5.
In a Committee on the income tax bill,
The Duke of Norfolk rose, and made some observations on that part of the bill which provided that parishes should make good the nioney with which the collectors might abfcond, or otherwise prove dehcient. He had not read the bill fo attentively, he laid, as to know how the matter exactly itood, but from what he could collect from the perusal he had given it, he thought at least the public were entitled to have security given by these men on the appointment to their offices. In page 34, his Grace objected to the exemptions in favour of foreigners poflefling inoney in our funds. He faw no good end it would answer. The only effect it could have might be either on the score of good faith, or of policy. As to good faiih, in his opinion, there could be no question. If he thought there would be rhe least breach of national faith, by laying a tax on ihe funds, he would be one of the last men in the world to propose or fupport it. But he could not see it in that point of view at all. When property of all kinds belonging to persons in this country was taxed, and particularly when ihe funds were taxed, cunfidering the dimainution that might result from frauds, the question of good faith ought not to enter into consideration. As to policy, he conceived the only reason for not taxing the property of
foreigners in the funds was, that it was adviseable they shou d have a stake in them ; but from the nicest calzularion he had been able to make, the whole property poflefled by foreigners in our funds did not amount io more than a tenth of the interest of the national debi, estimating which at 20 millions, their stake would only annount to two millions, which was chietly pofleffed by Durch and French; and a sum fo truly insignificant could not be fupposed to have an effect in a quellion of peace or war; for as Government would think it worth while to interfere in such a case, there being at this moment, he believed, no other representative Governments in Europe except this country and Sweden, he thought that at least the money of foreigners in our funds, in cases of purchases made after the passing of this bill into a law, might very fairly and ought to be taxed. He, there. fore, thouid propose an amaidinent to the following effe&t :
-“ That property in the funds, belonging to foreigners, should be liable to a tax for purchases made after the palling of this act.”
The Lord Chancelior having left the woollack, faid, that he perfectly coincided in opinion with the noble Duke, that a tax of this kind would not, according to the strict sense of the word, be a breach of national faith. If, however, such a construction inay be put upon it, considering the fair chasacter this country had always inaintained with regard to its pecuniary transasions with foreign nations, though we night be considerable losers from the want of the tax, yet he by no means found himself inclined to accede to the amendment proposed by the noble Duke. His Lordihip reprobated The doctrine which had been hell as to the question of national faiih, and said, he conld not contider it as such, even if there had been a clause in the acts whirh expressly declared that the funds thould not be taxed. The funds, like all other kinds of property, must und subtedly yield and give way to the exigencies of the times, and must be governed by and subject to that general law which is impofui on a!! Governments entrusted with the public safety. Foreigners certainly had no other stake at preseniy than on our justice, and our ability to pay the money when it becaine due. As to ourselves, we are bound equally to bear our burthens; we were all embarked on board the same bark. and mult fik or swim together. Belides, he did not even see that the amend. ment would be of the least benefit. It would bear equally hard on foreigners, as it would diminish the interest, and 5 F2
thereby leffen the eapital. He hoped, therefore, the noble Duke svould not prelift in perffing his amendment.
The Duke of Norfolk said, that he certainly Ibould perriit, and if his amendment was not agreert ro, he did not know but he should use the privilege of entering his dissent. He highly approved the principle of the lax, and on that account he wilhed to prevent it from being evaded. Ai present foreigners might be trustees, and great evaliuns might follow in consequence of persons in this counlry, in ihat way, making use of their names. For instance, a person posselling 3000l. in the funds inighe appoint a foreigner his trufee, by doing which, he would evale a taxo; for landing in another perfin's riame, who is not liable to pay as being a foreigner, she consequence would be, ihat there would be an apparent deduction from his income of 15:1. per annum He was clearly of opinion that property of all kinds should be equally liable io laxarion. Before the funding system was introduced into this country, the land universally paid four Inillings in the pound, which was an inco:ne tax io a tir greater amount than what we now have, which was always considered as an income tax, and which had ever b:en borne with the greatest cheerfulness. He thould, therefore, lake the iense of the House on his amendment, A division tok place --- For the amendment-Conten:S, 3-non-contents, 7 -- majority, 4.
The bill went through the Committee, and on the report being brought up, the same amendment was proposed, and ncgalived without a division.
The Farl of Weftmorland moved, that the House be fummoned for Monday, on the standing orders. Ordered.
The Earl of Suffolk faid, thai as the noble Lord had moved that the House be suminoned for Monday, he begged their Lord'hips would take notice, that he would take that opportunity of submitting to their confideration the motion he had forne time fince aliuded to, relative to the appointinent of a military council, which he was certain would be very necetsarv, and of the utmost utility and importance.
Sir Wm. Pulteney, and others, brought up from the Canmons, the Bell Rock lighi house bill, and several private biels, which were ach read a first time.
CURATES BILL. On the question that this bill be read a second time, The Duke of Nurf lk rose to object to it. He said his
Teason for opposing it was, that the Bill militated against a ftanding order of the House, which was of the greatest importance to their privileges. This order originated at a time when, unhappily, there existed differences between the ino branches of Legislature, and the Commons of that day took advantage, when they brought in money bills, to tack other mariers to thein, which were altogether irrelevant, and of a different nature, in order to compel the Lords to pass thein, or eifo be the means of refusing to raise the necessary fupplies. The present bill was intended to provide more aimply for poor curates, and by it there was a power given to raise Boccl. which made it a money bill. The sum, indeed, was but small, but still it was sufficient, if the bill was suffered to pass, 10 trench upon the Constitution and privileges of ihe Houle ; and he warned their Lord thips to avoid fo injurious a measure. Nó man could more anxiously defire to see that description of worthy persons better provided for than they were at present, who were the objects of the bill, than he
did? but, as the present session was so nearly on the close, and as the meeting of Parliament again would, doubiless, be a very early one ; if the bill palled early in the next feffion. it could be no inconvenience to any one, and would avoid that unconstitutional step, which he so much deprecated. He, 'herefore, moved, that the bill be read a second line that day three months.
The Lord Chancellor agreed with the noble Duke as to the origin ard importance of the standing order he had alJuded to, and faled in nearly the same terms. He differed with him, however, in opinion, that this bill did infringe or trench upon that standing order ; for the 8:ool to be raifed was not for supplies; nor was the other part of the bill ise, relevant to is, as it was for the better provision of curaies, and this 8cool. was to go in aid thereof. He did not know, however, how far their Lord'hips might be inclined 10 pass this bill, in the absence of so many of the right severend clerical
of thai House, who were so much interested in the subject matter of the bill, he could not say. If any information could be had from the two right reverend Prela.es who were present, he should be glad 10 receive it. For his own part he shought it worthy conlideration, whether it might not be as well to poftpone it to the beginning of next seition--which, as the noble Duke had fail, woolt, in ail likelihood, be a very early oue, and when the House would
have the benefit of the advice of the whole of that right reverend bench.
The Bishop of London said, that he had read the bill with considerable arten:ion, and highly approved its principles and provisions; he should therefore be glad to see it pals as soon as possible. As to the opinions of his right reverend Brethren, he could not say any thing ; but as the bill was to promote so worthy a purpose, he thould be sorry it should meet with any delay i at could with propriety be avoided.
The Duke of Norfolk retraced some of his former argu- . menis, and pressed the House to agree to his motion, as the delay would be so short.
The Lord Chancellor said, that if the House did not pass the bill this feffion, and a bill of a similar tendency did not come from the other House during the first week of the ensving fellion, he would certainly bring a bill for the pure pose into that Houfe.
The Bishop of London said, that if the House were inclined to postpone the bill, it was by no means his intention to persist in the opinion that he had delivered, but would acquiesce in the judgment of their Lordships,
The question was then put, that the bill be read a second time that day three months, and carried nem. disent. The bill was therefore deferred to the next fetlion.
Adjourned to the next day.
II OUSE OF COMMONS.
FRIDAY, AUGUST 5. On the motion of Lord Hawkesbury, a new writ was or. dered for St. Edmund's Bury, in the room of Lord Hervey, now Earl of Bristol.
The Tortola free-port bill, the warehousing and bonding bill, the Scorch assessed tax bill, the American treaty bill, che Beli Rock light-house bill, the consolidated fund bill, the Canada Couris bill, and the stamp duties bill, were severally read a third time and passed.
Lord Amherst's annuity bill, the Irish glebe-house bill, the wine prizage bill, the affeffed taxes bill, the Irish sugar importation duties bill, and the neutral fhips bill, were reported, and ordered to be read a third time the next day,
An account was presented of the increase and diminution of the public salaries and offices.