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engagement; but at last threy barafted, and finally overpower. ed the regular armiy. This was also the case of France herself againit Prullia--the Prullian ariny' was composed of the best regular troops, and he believed that the French who were opposed to the consisted principally of National Guards, or troops of that description, and he must say, that whatever character the French troops had acquired, and whatever they may now be, they had gone through a great deal of hard fighting, and much beating ; but they did not suffer themselves to despond, or to be alarmed on account of their not being regular troops, although they were to be opposed by regulars; they exerted themselves with a resolucion which enabled them to get the beller of their difficulties and if this country had ihe fame resolution, of which there could be no doubt, because we all felt the propriety of it, we should not only get over our difficulties, but we should teach this our insolent enemy we are not 10 be insulted with impunily, and if they attempt us, to use their own words, on our own dunghill, woe be to the assailants.

Mr. Piit faid, he was in a great degree fatisfied by what he had just heard from his right hon. Friend. He was happy to understand from him, that Ministers did not think that the present Militia was all the additional force which the public service, at this interesting moment, requires, and if they did not enter upon the subject at present, it was only because they had measures of augmentation in view which were not mature; that they had not laid before the Committee the means of knowing the plan now for ihat reason, but that they are sa isfied, a considerable augmentation must take place ; being of that opinion himself, he should hardly have occasion to make more ihan one remark, which was, ina in his view of the subject, on the principle which Ministers had adopted, that of more vigorous measures than had been hitherlo ever tried, to obtain that force which was of the best Tori, that of supplemental force to the army, acting under commiffioned and non-commissioned officers in the regular army. It did not appear that it would have been fortunate if they had rather begon by eliablishing in the opinion of Parliament and of the country, the necetlity of the thing to be done, by preparing the public mind by an adequa'e vote for that purpose ; because by commencing the course and puriu: ing the means which may be now desirable 10 animate the public mind to the adoption of whatmay be thought ellential either for the fafety of the island, o what we should couple VOL. IV, 1802-3.



with it, the vigorous prosecution of the war with France, that of carrying on war with a force which may be at once adapted either for offence or defence, the best effects may be expected; but we are not in a state hufer war with France until we are in a situation to avail ourselves of every opportuniy which may occur for offensive as well as defenlive operations. He would

go further, and say, ihal as we wan'ed ihe means of off nlive, we thould have the more of defensive war. He applauded every desire which Ministers could manifest to labour with perseverance to consider of ihe best means for the salery of the lare; but, said he, do it--do it effe&tually! and to do it effe Stually, you must do it foon. Doing it soon will be better, though you do it with difficulty, than if you do it fome time hence, and, after much deliberation, easily. I Think it is better that i he thing thould be done al once, or as soon as possible, than that you should delay it ; that is, I think it better ihat is the uld be voted without delay, and than that you

Thould first consider about the means ; first vote the measure, and then come forward with the vote for defraying the expence, because by bringing the matter forward immediately, you will call the spirit of the people into action The question now is, will you save your country! Suve it in the best and most prudent way, if you can; bui save ir! But if you are to take any mode for that purpose, in which you may have to encounter prejudices, op in which you may attach to yourselves a temporary odium; but the opinion I have of i he people of England, will not allow me to think so, if you do but inform rhein rightly of your object. However, if any prejudice thould rile against you, if any temporary odium should attach to your measure-if ir be for the safety of the country, or for its honour, pursue it-pursue it, although you may have to contend wiih prejudice-pursue is, although you may have to encounter odium-pursue, it although you may have to subdue resistance! Do it! for the country must be saved! I am ready to take my full share of the inconvenience. If, therefore, genilemen concur wiih me, as indeed I believe the House does, that the present force is infufficien', I wish them now to pledge themselves; to pledge Parliament, to p!elge the nation 100 (in which you will have no difficulty, if you proceed rightly), thai a frong measure 1hall be taken for the defence of the nation, wi hour any loss of time. I must say ton, that at a period when he dialement of the finance of the cuuniry is abi vi to be laid before us, ti is fit you thould bring this measure for our safely forward, together with an estimale of the expence of it ; for it is fit


the people should see the extent of their burthens ; tell them their expences, and tell thein at the same time, their dury to

themselves ; Thew them that their representatives are deter· mined 10 a 't for Their welfare, and for their glory! You can.

not now go into the detail, but you can have no difficulty about the number of men, nor of the vote to cover the ex. pences of it. My object, by all I have said, is, that the coun. try thould now be sold at once, that it is 10 prepare for mede fores of an unusual extent; that the people thould be impressed wiih a notion that extraordinary preparations must be made, that exisaordinary means must be used. Whatever circumitances of difficuliy may occur in the detail of the means for carrying the matter into effect, which I believe to be effential to ihe public service, I am anxious that at least as early a day as possible should be taken for this fubjeét; that Miniiters, instead of talking of what they will do, Should piedge' themitlves, and that this House Mould pledge itselt, tharine thing thall be done. Les each person do his duty Let Ministers bring this matter forward, and I am allured that Every Niember in this House will allit in il. Whatever de gree of odium may be endeavoured to be cast on us for not choosing perhaps the inildeft course that possibly might be found, if we had full leisure to consider it, we thould not mind--the thing must be donc-must be done immediately." Mr. Pirt then proceeded 10 observe, that if he had 10 ltare here his objection, it would not be that the militia was 100 much; he thought that a militia in this extent we could bear, and he was ready to say, that another force calculared fur offensive as well as defensive war, was superior, as a force, 10 a mililia. He cuid nur, however, agree wiin the right hon Genileman upon this subject altogether--he thought, that with all due relpect to the militia, he thought, as they ihemfelves thought, That it was a great advantage wo the service that the militia were allifted with a great proportion of regeJurs of the army-- he should not goinio any detail -- he ihought ihar a large port on of regular troops might be added to the 70,000 milivia, and must be kept at home, or we thould not have a tulicintorce for home fecuriiy.

He then proceeded to make several observations on this subject as it segarried the numbers of the miliis, &c. and ihen said, he hoped that the addizional force to be raised was ni to depend upon a lyfiem of ardy and precarious recruite ing, and that the forces thould not be confined iv serve at home, as a force neceffary merely for home defence, and that

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at all events we should secure the advantages of the forces being under officers regularly trained He begged pardon for the tr uble he had given ihe Coministee, bui he begged 10 say one word inore. He had given his opinion very much in the rough upon this subject, but he withed the House to benefit from recolle&ion, and judge of what we can do from what we have done. We knew that we had raised by ballot, without interfering with the agriculture or the industry of the country, 100,000 men. He knew, from the concurring opinion of almost all militia officers, that we could not hope 10 have, on the militia plan, officers for more than 70,000 men. He said he would not go beyond that, without engrating on the militia officers from the regular force. Some means ought to be applied in aid of the army. If any better mode could be devised than any which had been yer stated, he thuld be glad of it; he woul engage to give it his support. The country must be pui in a proper state of inili'ary preparation; the bift means mighi, perhaps, not be readily seen

what he looked so was ihe thing. It must have as much time for its consideration as was abfo'utely neceflary to understand it, but no more ; for whatever was wanted for the public defence, sume how or other mult be obiained

The Chancellor of the Exebequer said, he was very glad that the questions put by his right hon. Friend had given Govern. ment an opportunity of declaring, that they did not rely, at the preseni crisis, upon the militia consisting of 70 000 men, great part of whom were at present in arms; that they did not rely upon the regular force of the country, which was at prefent greater than at any other period, except when an cmharkation was about to take place; that they did not rely upon the brave and loyal yeomanry of the country, but that they were prepared to bring forward measures for the purpofe of providing a large fubfidiary force, to be officered in the manner pointed out by his right hón. Friend. The right hon. Gentleman (Ms. Win ham) had complained of the Jarge proportion of inilitia force, but that had been complete. ly answered by his right Bon. Friend, at least that part of the right hon. Genileinan's argument which related to a fyfa tein entirely defensive. In looking to the population of the country, and the means of constituting a large and effective force, it was not nierely an option on the part of Governmeni, whether such a torce hould be called ont; it was not because the right hon. Genileman or Government might think ii poslible to procure a large proportion of regular troops, but they must consider how, coniftently with the feelings and opinions of the country, and the avocations of men of businels, the largest and most effe live force could be provided for defensive and offensive operations, it appeared to him, that those means ought to be rcforted to which were calculated to provide such a force with the greatest public advantage, and the least pouble inconvenience. The righi hon. Genoleman had adverted to the dan er arising from an invading enemy; that right hon. Genıleinan would do him (Mr. Addingtoni the justice to recollect that he never under-rated thai danger, though he thought at the same time that it had been greatly over-ra ed : it was their duty, however, to provide against such a danger, and that without delay. He begged leave to refer the right hon. Geileman to the con. dućt of Government in the lummer of 1801, and many individuals ihen in the House, upon whose justice he confidently Telied, w uld altelt that there was during that period no want of exertion on the part of Government. The counisy was nou generally aware of the extent of ihe preparations in the French poris a' chat period, nor of the steps taken by Government to meet the threatened danger. At the time when the thips which defended our rivers were sent to the Baliic, then was the period of real danger. Government neither flumbered nor Dept, but adopted all those measures which the exigencies of the moment required, with a fixed deiermination to call forih all the exertions of the counity to repel the danger which then threatened us, but which did not happen. He was therefore intitled to refer to their conduft at that period as a pledge of their disposition. I had been stated, ihat a pledge onght to be given on the part of Parliament, that it would make such provision as ciicum Itances thould require. He conceived that Parliament had given that pledge; he conceived, that when it carried 10 the foot of the Throne the address in answer to his Majesty's mellage, though there was no specific pledge as to any para ricular measure, yet thara ditinct and solemn pledge was given on the part of the country, that they would make every exertion which the exigencies of the care might require. 1 ha! whole exertions mult be great he not only admised, bui coniended; but he flatered himself, that wheneves lie fhould appeal to the House either to meet financial difficul, ties, or to provide for increaled military exertions, such an appeal would not be made in vain. It any obloquy was attached to any such measures, he would cheerfully thare it ;


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